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Re:How do you make safe, cheap nuclear reactors? Bury them a... by lesuorac on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @11:34AM (#41368719)
> And from an engineering perspective Chornobyl isn't that interesting as an accident example because it's mostly a product of brainwashed egotic manager who had all the power over the engineers.

Pretty sure it's actually extremely interesting.

The test was considered such a non-risk that it required next to no oversight [1] [2]. If something that doesn't require oversight results in a nuclear disaster then something is wildly wrong with your regulations and design.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster#Safety_test

[2]: https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub913e_web.p...

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Re:How do you make safe, cheap nuclear reactors? Bury them a... by littlestymaar on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @01:51PM (#41370561)
> Pretty sure it's actually extremely interesting.

You missed the from an engineering perspective part at the begining of this sentence.

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Re:How do you make safe, cheap nuclear reactors? Bury them a... by lesuorac on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @07:38PM (#41374461)
If it's not interesting from an engineering perspective then why did the nuclear community write a post-accident report [1] and then update it 7 years later [2]?

Perhaps _now_ it's less interesting as the faulty design has been studied at least twice with computer simulations (and a lot more skepticism on the initial Russian presentation which blamed the operators).

[1]:https://www.iaea.org/publications/3598/summary-report-on-the...

[2]: https://www.iaea.org/publications/3786/the-chernobyl-acciden...

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Re:How do you make safe, cheap nuclear reactors? Bury them a... by littlestymaar on Wednesday August 28, 2024 @03:02AM (#41376755)
Because nuclear is not just about engineering?

TMI also wasn't mainly an engineering problem: it was the way the incident reaction guidelines where written and how crisis group was set up that was the largest cause, and as such there has been little engineering changes following TMI but a lot of organizational changes.

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Re:How do you make safe, cheap nuclear reactors? Bury them a... by honestjohn on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @07:40PM (#41374467)
The human element is just as much part of the engineering and design. The plants are designed for humans to operate.
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Re:How do you make safe, cheap nuclear reactors? Bury them a... by littlestymaar on Wednesday August 28, 2024 @03:01AM (#41376753)
It's part of design, not part of engineering. The same way the UX of a website is not engineering.
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Re:How do you make safe, cheap nuclear reactors? Bury them a... by poorlyknit on Tuesday August 27, 2024 @07:44PM (#41374505)
Like it or not, team dynamics are a part of engineering.
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Re:How do you make safe, cheap nuclear reactors? Bury them a... by littlestymaar on Wednesday August 28, 2024 @02:56AM (#41376721)
Then everything under the sun is part of engineering too, and now the word has lost any meaning.
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