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Re:Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office by tptacek on Monday December 29, 2008 @05:25PM (#413581)
I agree, but then of course, spending a shit ton of money just to make yourself feel better is one of the luxuries of not being beholden to outside investors.

Between ludicrous offices and the 37s "4 days a week" plan, I'd probably go with 37s.

Re:Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office by webwright on Monday December 29, 2008 @07:02PM (#413681)
Heh, you just won't let go of that "beholden to outside investor" thing, will you?

Are you suggesting that investors keep startups from getting ludicrous office space? From my experience with well-funded dotcom startups, they all tend to spend staggering amounts on sexy office space. We're lightly funded, so we sure as hell didn't.

In any case, Joel isn't spending a shit ton-- he's spending ~4-6% of revenue, as he said. Decent investors would only involve themselves if you were spending an unreasonable amount of money. Joel could be up to his armpits in Series D financing and not have an investor blink at this expenditure.

(if it isn't obvious, I think it's a dumb expenditure for an unprofitable startup, and a fine expenditure for Joel)

Re:Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office by tptacek on Monday December 29, 2008 @07:38PM (#413718)
Hm. You're right. I'm wrong.

(Although I'm unlikely to "let go" of the outside investor thing; I help run a bootstrapped company, and had a bad VC experience).

Re:Joel on Software: The new Fog Creek Office by timf on Monday December 29, 2008 @09:32PM (#413827)
Between ludicrous offices and the 37s "4 days a week" plan, I'd probably go with 37s.

Or I was idly thinking once of a plan where you sprint for 3 weeks (still with weekends off) and then everyone has an entire week off.

Over and over, ~13 weeks of vacation a year.

I wonder if a refreshed, happy, and likely less compensated team like that could keep up with a full time one.