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Re:You Are Not Dumb, You Just Lack the Prerequisites by matheusmoreira on Sunday August 25, 2024 @07:25AM (#41346462)
I'm not sure being "gifted" has anything to do with it. High school is easy, and they keep dumbing it down over time. Little to zero effort is required to pass. This can fool people with a minimal amount of intelligence into thinking they're Very Smart. Especially since everybody keeps telling you that you're the smartest kid around and treating you like a nerd. I was able to get near max grades with little study in the subjects I cared about, and passable grades with zero effort in the ones I didn't. It can seriously warp one's perception of reality.

When I got into medical school I straight up failed a class for the first time in my life right in my first semester. I got my ass kicked so hard it's not even funny. I had to put in actual effort into learning stuff for the very first time in my life. I had to spend all of my waking hours in the laboratories to learn this stuff. I met people who had zero issues studying 5-10 times as much as I did. In the middle of it all I got diagnosed with ADHD by the neurologist I was shadowing.

This is when I finally understood the point of school. One of the most bitter complaints from students is the fact most people don't use the knowledge they learn. That's not really the point of school. The point is to just show that you can learn. The point is teaching you how to study and apply yourself so that you don't get your ass kicked later in life when the really difficult stuff starts. Perseverance and mental resillience.

I'm not really a "gifted" person but people treated me like one and in retrospect it was quite detrimental to me. If anything they probably need to identify the "smart" kids and kick their asses harder because the existing classes aren't getting the job done. But if teachers do that people accuse them of tracking...

Re:You Are Not Dumb, You Just Lack the Prerequisites by hnfong on Sunday August 25, 2024 @10:17AM (#41347469)
I wonder how many of these "work ethic" stories are just undiagnosed ADHD stories in disguise...

I mean, this is the second time I see ADHD mentioned in this thread, and the story of somebody who just can't keep focus study for long hours kind of fits textbook symptoms.

To be clear, I'm not saying everyone commenting here with similar stories have ADHD, but uh... if it rings a bell, maybe think about it.

(FWIW, I suspect I'm also an undiagnosed case...)

Re:You Are Not Dumb, You Just Lack the Prerequisites by matheusmoreira on Sunday August 25, 2024 @10:40AM (#41347625)
Oh lots. Not all but lots. It's not like I have a study to point to but I still have no doubt about that. You'll see lots of ADHD types here and in similar forums. For some reason, ADHD people seem to be really attracted to technology. They have "attention deficit" and yet don't have any trouble at all concentrating for 10 hours straight on things they care about and I often find that technology in general is in that list. Remember that "bipolar lisp programmer" article? It's more like ADHD lisp programmer. Actual bipolar patients I've seen weren't like that.

When I talk to an ADHD patient, I end up getting this distinct feeling they're talking about me instead. I run them through the diagnostic criteria and they match. I still refer them to a trusted psychiatrist regardless so that a proper differential diagnosis can be made, which does include bipolar disorder. Psychiatry is hard and I'm not about to underestimate the difficulty of it, especially since I could kill the patient if I'm wrong. So far getting this feeling seems to be virtually pathognomonic though.

Re:You Are Not Dumb, You Just Lack the Prerequisites by hnfong on Sunday August 25, 2024 @11:24AM (#41347941)
Maybe because tech is responsive. In most cases the time required to compile, run and test code is a couple minutes. A couple hours at worst. The immediate gratification is really attractive for ADHD people.

^ This was what I intended to comment, and then I thought I should look up the "bipolar lisp programmer" article since I haven't read it before.

And I'll just note that, while the article doesn't mention it, a major feature touted by Lisp enthusiasts is the REPL :) Talk about immediate gratification...

By the way, the story sounds like mine too. Except I went to law school (law is undergrad in where I live). Everyone assumed I did poorly because I wasn't interested in the subject (a reasonable assumption since I was clearly oriented towards programming), but I think the real problem was the "artifice" mentioned in the article. Today, I still read legal cases/materials with interest from time to time, but if I were put back in that artificial law school environment I don't think I'd survive.