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Re:The missing link: Microsoft Surface by tocomment on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @03:21PM (#4133618)
Is anyone thinking this will turn into a Zune 2.0? I'm not sure why everyone is so optimistic since when MS tried to copy the iPod we got a brown Zune.
Re:The missing link: Microsoft Surface by freehunter on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @03:24PM (#4133630)
And the Zune was a great hardware/software combo, with unfortunate timing. The iPhone went onto the market soon after launch and no one wanted a PMP anymore. On the flip side, when Microsoft tried to copy the Playstation, we got the Xbox. Seems to be doing pretty well.

Are you really arguing color, though? It's a black tablet with a handful of color choices for the cover/keyboard. Brown Zune has no bearing on this.

Re:The missing link: Microsoft Surface by forgotAgain on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @04:22PM (#4133936)
Zune was released in November 2006. Claiming the iPhone caused its failure (because no one wanted a PMP anymore) is rewriting history. The best year for iPod sales was 2008. Well after the June 2007 availability of the iPhone.

Zune failed because it was late to market and was saddled with a corporate owner that lacked credibility in that particular marketplace.

Sources for the above dates and stats are Wikipedia

Re:The missing link: Microsoft Surface by freehunter on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @04:24PM (#4133951)
Of those sales, how many were the iPod Touch and how many were the iPod Shuffle (two markets where Zune never competed)?

I stand by my argument that Zune entered into the market just as that market died. Your point about the credibility is another part of the whole package.

Re:The missing link: Microsoft Surface by forgotAgain on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @08:43AM (#4136683)
I stand by my argument that Zune entered into the market just as that market died.

Well I wish I had a small piece of the billions Apple made from that dead market.

Your point about the credibility is another part of the whole package.

What package?

Re:The missing link: Microsoft Surface by freehunter on Wednesday June 20, 2012 @12:14PM (#4137635)
What package?

The whole package of niggles that kept the Zune from mass market success. One was the fast-shrinking market for PMPs. Another was the fact that it was Microsoft, an inherently uncool corporation. I'm agreeing with you on this point.

Apple making money from the "dead" market, I believe, is a huge factor in the death of the market. It's a small market to begin with, people who want an MP3 player with a music store and mandatory music management software but don't want a smartphone. In that small of a market you'd be a fool to consider Product X over an iPod in that market no matter how much better Product X is. There's only room for one major player there, and Microsoft doesn't do well when they're relegated to second place.

I'm agreeing with you, but also standing by my assertion that Microsoft had no chance in the market no matter how awesome their product was/could have possibly been.

Re:The missing link: Microsoft Surface by spanktheuser on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @04:03PM (#4133840)
Enterprise IT departments are the reason for the market's optimism. The argument is that corporate buyers will prefer a tablet that integrates well with their current infrastructure. Assuming a decent product, MS would seem to have a built-in market that's insulated from iOS or Android competition. Or so the thinking goes. Even many old-school corporations are HTML5 / web-app first these days. I think Window's platform lock-in isn't what it used to be.
Re:The missing link: Microsoft Surface by mtgx on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @03:46PM (#4133756)
That would still be an improvement from Kin 2.0, which could still be a possible outcome.