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Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by zmmmmm on Friday August 23, 2024 @08:27PM (#41334407)
I think the teleportation angle is even more compelling from the point of view of enabling virtual co-presence. With photo-realistic avatars as Apple and Meta have both demonstrated are fully possible, we'll soon be in a situation where you can click a button and be fully present with anybody anywhere, any time. This is as close to true physical teleportation that humanity will ever get, and I expect that once it's mature and reliable and available at accessible price points, the tangible benefits will make this tech take off in a huge way.
Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by giobox on Friday August 23, 2024 @08:53PM (#41334560)
We can’t even get people to routinely turn a webcam on at most companies existing meetings. Even internally at Meta and Apple, staff aren’t exactly falling over themselves to take meetings in headsets right now.

The idea people will be strapping computers to their faces for meetings will “take off in a huge way” any time soon is extremely far fetched for me.

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by zmmmmm on Friday August 23, 2024 @09:16PM (#41334710)
It depends on what you mean by "soon". For sure, it's not happening next year. But within 5 years I think the hardware will get to a point where it's possible, and then within 10 it will be compelling.

The "strapping computers to their faces" meme is just stupid hyperbole. It's no more insightful than declaring that nobody wants to stuff a computer into their pocket - when 99% of people now carry smart phones (and mostly, large ones - as large as they can possibly fit).

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by kjkjadksj on Friday August 23, 2024 @11:41PM (#41335399)
The thing is the smartphone took off as soon as it hit the market because its use cases were just that compelling. Vr is nothing new. What are we 10 years into this market with barely any adoption or useful applications beyond a gaming stint until you hit your nausea limit? Says it all I think. Its biggest use case so far is using it to blow wind into the sails of your stock ticker for a few quarters.
Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by thfuran on Saturday August 24, 2024 @02:01AM (#41335998)
>The thing is the smartphone took off as soon as it hit the market because its use cases were just that compelling.

That depends on how exactly you define "smartphone". I might still have an old Nokia brick with a little screen and a web browser lying around somewhere.

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by adastra22 on Saturday August 24, 2024 @12:53AM (#41335758)
I have no desire to strap a computer on my face, no matter how lightweight an unobtrusive it gets.

There is a fundamental disconnect in motivation here.

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by sethammons on Saturday August 24, 2024 @09:16AM (#41338080)
Maybe the equivalence was lost: in 1990s, a computer in your pocket would bring about visions of a tower PC and maybe a backpack strap, and then you could only walk as far as the power cord.

When VR/AR makes it, it won't be strapping what I imagine you are thinking to your face. I imagine glasses or maybe people will even entertain a visor or shield

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by adastra22 on Saturday August 24, 2024 @02:39PM (#41340385)
No, it’s not an issue of form factor. It’s the disconnection from reality and the constant literally-in-your-face attention grabbing that would come from wearing AR glasses, no matter how slim and lightweight they become.

I have an Apple Watch. Why? Because it lets me use my phone less. It is a purposefully less capable and less attention-seeking device which I can use to check the nature of a notification in a socially acceptable way and then go back to living life without pulling out my phone.

AR/VR is fundamentally having a phone strapped to your eyeballs. You’re saying “but it can be made lightweight and comfortable!” I’m saying you’re missing the whole point: I don’t want a phone strapped to my eyeballs, even if it weighed 0 g and was soft and velvety. It’s a step backwards.

I would love for that technology to exist, because I have AR applications in mind that I think could be industrially useful. But I would despise that becoming the normal mode of interface to the world, the same way I despise people having their heads in their phones all day long.

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by sensanaty on Saturday August 24, 2024 @04:21AM (#41336544)
Compelling to who? Might be to the managers who get some twisted satisfaction from spying on their employees, but most people aren't gonna want to wear a brick on their face so their manager can make sure you're paying attention or whatever.

I don't turn my camera on in meetings and it's often "broken", some idiotic headset that my manager forces on me is going to be similarly buggy and "broken"...

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by lelanthran on Saturday August 24, 2024 @06:20AM (#41337057)
> The "strapping computers to their faces" meme is just stupid hyperbole. It's no more insightful than declaring that nobody wants to stuff a computer into their pocket - when 99% of people now carry smart phones

Depends on how you define 'computer': content creation or content consumption?

Because everyone with a 'computer' in their pocket has nothing more than 'interactive television' in their pocket.

They literally do not do computing on it in any meaningful way.[1]

[1] Maybe they use the calculator. But that's about it.

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by giobox on Saturday August 24, 2024 @12:07PM (#41339186)
You are missing the forest for the trees here; what we call the device we strap to our face is neither here nor there and of no relevance to my earlier argument.

The issue is a great many people just won’t want to sit wearing anything at all on their face in a meeting - especially those who may have put effort into appearance of their hair and makeup etc etc as just one of many examples.

It’s also not a “meme”, or “hyperbole”. That is literally what you have to do today and in near term with an AVP or meta Quest etc- strap a heat generating, heavy, sometimes fan cooled (AVP) computer across your face.

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by DonHopkins on Saturday August 24, 2024 @09:21AM (#41338116)
Yeah, it's more like "strapping space heaters to their faces".
Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by consteval on Monday August 26, 2024 @01:13PM (#41359342)
But... why? Why would you do this?

I mean, teams/zoom gets me 99% of the way there. I can see people, read lips. What do I gain from a "virtual environment"? Because I can already talk to people all over the world, right now. And they can share their screen and stuff. It's a pretty good system.

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by paretoer on Saturday August 24, 2024 @07:00AM (#41337233)
I almost never put my camera on. I think people mostly like turning their camera on to show off their home office, living room or book case. Beyond that, there is just no point. It is a distraction overall.

Business meetings in headsets is just completely delusional. It is one of the dumbest tech ideas of all time.

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by Terretta on Saturday August 24, 2024 @10:36AM (#41338636)
> We can’t even get people to routinely turn a webcam on at most companies existing meetings.

AVP doesn't need the webcam on.

"Inside" it, your avatar could be anywhere wearing whatever, no bed pillows, PJs, or family creeping not-so-stealthily behind you.

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by giobox on Saturday August 24, 2024 @11:41AM (#41339032)
Yes - it’s even more intrusive - you have to strap a computer to your face instead of merely sitting in front of it. That was the entire point I’m making.

The barrier to using a webcam is already lower, and people routinely refuse to do it.

Re:Meta Cancels High-End Mixed Reality Headset After Apple V... by closewith on Saturday August 24, 2024 @04:42AM (#41336619)
This use-case is decades away from being compelling and to a rounding error, nobody wants it.