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Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by KoolKat23 on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @05:33AM (#41298370)
Why, could integrate the beacons into signal pedestrian crossings forcing the cars to stop (whereas currently an absent minded driver might go through it), also doesn't stop development of other safety systems like object detection.
Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by xen0 on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @07:25AM (#41298954)
If you want to avoid traffic 'waves', so all vehicles accelerate and decelerate at the same time, you must remove _everything_ that might introduce unexpected variance.

Which basically removes people.

A simple fact is that faster moving traffic is necessarily less dense; the gaps between vehicles must be larger to account for small variations that matter more and more at speed.

Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by KoolKat23 on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @02:53PM (#41302829)
I'd say it's more about reducing unnecessary stoppages where possible. The wave is triggered by someone braking ahead for whatever reason, we're looking to prevent the unnecessary wave, not necessarily stop the initial braking event as it may have been necessary.
Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by maxwell on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @02:16PM (#41312750)
Let's improve driver's ed and impose more licensing restrictions. Seems like pretty wide variations in standards between States.

Let's ban distracting billboards in more States, as in Maine, Vermont, Alaska, and Hawaii.

Let's expand annual vehicle inspections to more States.

More surveillance tech, automation, and regulations aren't the answer.

Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by itishappy on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @05:44PM (#41304406)
> you must remove _everything_ that might introduce unexpected variance

I'm not sure that follows. Cars that communicate can accelerate and brake together even in unexpected situations.

Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by xen0 on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @06:08PM (#41304588)
You need the increased space, which means you have the traffic waves.

You need the space because of variations in cars; some have better brakes than others, some may be heavier so need more time to slow down, others may be on wetter patch of road, etc.

And one car may not even get the signal, so only slows down when it observes the vehicle ahead of it doing, an observation that needs time.

Or a car starts accelerating as the one in front just stalls.

It may all be better than human reaction times, but for robustness, which is really very necessary, you're going to get the same dynamics.

And this all assumes only good actors; somewhat optimistic in my view.

Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by itishappy on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @07:03PM (#41304969)
Waves are caused by starting at different times, and connected vehicles can coordinate their start time. Yes, you need more space with speed, but a fleet can handle that with different acceleration curves instead of varied starts.

This isn't entirely true, connected vehicles would still have some delay due to radio propagation time, but it's ns per vehicle instead of hundreds of milliseconds. Additionally, you can entirely compensate for it in ways you really can't with humans.

Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by KoolKat23 on Wednesday August 21, 2024 @04:49AM (#41308228)
Also a connected vehicle could potentially tell much if the car ahead is actively accelerating. Reducing it's need to brake if it can tell there's sufficient distance to negate braking (a bit more risky).
Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by WarOnPrivacy on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @06:49PM (#41304895)
> Cars that communicate can accelerate and brake together even in unexpected situations.

A horde of cars where 100% of them consistently operate in a failure-free state and have comms that can't be hampered by the environment - that group could maybe do this.

Re:the US lays out a road safety plan that will see cars 'ta... by itishappy on Tuesday August 20, 2024 @07:37PM (#41305190)
Fair. If coms fail though, you're no worse than today. Vehicles don't need to travel any closer, just start together.