How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline? We went to find out

Re:How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline... by jaynetics on Sunday August 18, 2024 @12:27PM (#41283306)

I guess the ARD take is intentionally more on the side of infotainment. There's also this WSJ article from a few days ago which purports to know some very specific facts and even to have quotes from participants of the operation: https://archive.ph/Ka8HB

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Re:How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline... by stefan_ on Sunday August 18, 2024 @12:33PM (#41283351)

It also of course claims

> In the wake of the attack, which took out three of the four conduits forming the pipelines, energy prices surged.

which is trivially disprovable, not least because the pipelines were not transporting any gas and hadn't for a while. They are too busy writing fiction they don't bother to verify even the most basic things.

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Re:How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline... by jaynetics on Sunday August 18, 2024 @12:49PM (#41283458)

> which is trivially disprovable, not least because the pipelines were not transporting any gas and hadn't for a while.

This doesn't disprove anything. Energy prices could still have surged for multiple reasons, e.g. because countries might have worried about similar attacks on other, active pipelines and might have become more eager to boost their reserves. We'd have to look at some actual stats, but even then it might be hard to tell apart any effects from the utter market chaos at the time.

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Re:How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline... by stefan_ on Sunday August 18, 2024 @01:28PM (#41283757)

I don't understand; I looked at the actual stats. It's clear you didn't. There was no surge.

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Re:How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline... by solarkraft on Sunday August 18, 2024 @03:02PM (#41284522)

You can be right about the stats but still wrong with your reasoning. Markets are often impacted by all kinds of events.

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Re:How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline... by jaynetics on Sunday August 18, 2024 @02:11PM (#41284077)

This seems to show an (ongoing) increase of some energy prices in Germany after Sep 22:

https://media.aroundhome.de/image/upload/f_auto/q_auto/w_800...

I mean, the sentence in the article is very vague. "Energy prices surged". Which energy? How soon? For how long? Where? For which buyers (private or public)? It could mean a lot of things, so I'll grant this one line of journalism isn't great. Journalism isn't easy, though. I have no opinion on the WSJ in particular as I don't really know it, but if you dismiss everything that has a few sloppy lines in it, you might not necessarily end up with the best sum of information.

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Re:How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline... by stefan_ on Sunday August 18, 2024 @04:22PM (#41285160)

This is a few pixels on a consumer price index. Which energy - do you want to make a guess? What is a surge to you?

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Re:How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline... by dgrr19 on Sunday August 18, 2024 @01:51PM (#41283941)

Can you publish the "stats" here?

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Re:How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline... by stefan_ on Sunday August 18, 2024 @04:18PM (#41285117)

Marked for your convenience:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GVCwMmbXsAAaaZM?format=jpg&name=...

Look, blowing up Nord Stream made natural gas cheaper!

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Re:How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline... by dgrr19 on Sunday August 18, 2024 @02:07PM (#41284046)

> not transporting any gas and hadn't for a while

yeah, "a while" = 1 month. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/31/business/nord-stream-1-eu... "the most basic" aka cnn

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Re:How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline... by stefan_ on Sunday August 18, 2024 @04:28PM (#41285228)

What's the theory here? Traders were expecting the pipeline that had been dead for a month to come back to life, so when it exploded in dramatic fashion, their false hopes were dashed and caused a nonexistent surge?

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Re:How did divers manage to blow up the Nord Stream pipeline... by dgrr19 on Monday August 19, 2024 @05:36PM (#41294775)

It's not traders who speculate with the prices (which could also be), it's the countries who where buying enough supply for months. Yeah sure, it could trigger a surge in supply in order prevent a shortage.

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