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Re:the US government has to start paying for things again by bigstrat2003 on Friday August 16, 2024 @03:11PM (#41269417)
I love the lack of self awareness from this author. "My generation of reporters was right to encourage the government to go into debt, but now it's different". No it's not, the consequences of the bad decisions in ~2010 are just catching up to us now. I guarantee you that there are people who want the government to deficit spend today who will say the same sort of thing 20 years from now as they get older and wiser.
Re:the US government has to start paying for things again by eigenspace on Friday August 16, 2024 @03:38PM (#41269625)
I don't really think its that simple. There can be situations where debt is a good idea, and there can be situations where debt is a bad idea.

In ~2010, debt financing was incredibly cheap, so if the USA was able to take out debt at that time and use it for productive economic growth that paid more than the financing cost, it would have been a good investment.

The problem in my eyes isn't really that the USA took on debt when it was cheap, the problem was that:

1. it took out so much debt that now as those debts mature, they can't be paid off without taking on newer, much more expensive debts (and instead of treating that borrowing behaviour as temporary/uncertain, the government learned to treat it as a integral part of its budget).

2. the investments the USA made with that debt might not have been very smart investments. There's a huge amount of crumbling infrastructure in the USA that should have been prime targets for replacement in the era of low-cost debt, that are now going to be incredibly painful to maintain or replace, and aren't really optional. Yes, the USA did invest in a lot of things that boosted the GDP, but it's not really clear (to me at least) that the increase of economic activity was particularly productive, useful, or sustainable.

Re:the US government has to start paying for things again by 4wsn on Friday August 16, 2024 @03:57PM (#41269803)
> There can be situations where debt is a good idea, and there can be situations where debt is a bad idea. In ~2010, debt financing was incredibly cheap, so if the USA was able to take out debt at that time and use it for productive economic growth that paid more than the financing cost, it would have been a good investment.

Sure, debt can be good idea when it's carefully considered and planned by a well run organization, preferably one where its leaders have their personal finances highly dependent on its success.

However the chronic issue almost every government has is that the government is neither well run, nor do the people running it suffer any financial consequences when things go poorly.

I don't have a realistic fix for this, of course, but it's fun to imagine annual performance reviews for politicians with guillotines available to HR.

Re:the US government has to start paying for things again by uticus on Friday August 16, 2024 @03:52PM (#41269744)
> There can be situations where debt is a good idea, and there can be situations where debt is a bad idea.

Your examples seem to be saying a “good debt” situation would involve the government being wise in playing the market.

It’s arguable if the government should be playing the markets to any extent at all.

To my knowledge the purpose of (American) government involves the wise use of collecting and spending. It seems to always get in trouble when going after the carrot of investing.

Re:the US government has to start paying for things again by eigenspace on Friday August 16, 2024 @03:58PM (#41269805)
I'm using the word "invest" in a pretty broad sense. I would consider, e.g. fixing the USA's disastrously undermaintained waterways, bridges, railroads, electrical grids, schools, etc. to be "investments" (and probably wiser investments than whatever it invested in instead)
Re:the US government has to start paying for things again by trealira on Friday August 16, 2024 @03:42PM (#41269666)
It makes sense to go into debt to get out of a recession, like the 2008 one. But then during the good times of the economy, we should have been working on paying the debt; instead, we blew it and just took out even more debt.
Re:the US government has to start paying for things again by actuallyalys on Saturday August 17, 2024 @02:56AM (#41272521)
Yeah, there was a pretty strong argument to raise taxes in 2017-2019 in order to prepare for a return of higher interest rates (or at the very least, not cut taxes further) but not much earlier in the decade. Obviously the pandemic necessitated deficit spending again, but we once again have a window of opportunity to put our economic gains into reducing the deficit.

To the Biden administration’s credit, it did pass the Inflation Reduction Act. Hopefully the next administration will let at least some of the Trump administration’s tax cuts expire and raise revenue in other areas.