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Re:HFT using neutrino physics: Stats Jackassery by tocomment on Monday June 18, 2012 @11:01AM (#4126683)
That's a really interesting idea. Does anyone know how much money you could make with HFT if you were able to communicate through the earth instead of around it?

If the profit potential is high enough, maybe this is a good way to fund research?

Re:HFT using neutrino physics: Stats Jackassery by stacycurl on Monday June 18, 2012 @11:27AM (#4126843)
Re:HFT using neutrino physics: Stats Jackassery by comm_it on Monday June 18, 2012 @11:29AM (#4126857)
I'd doubt whether there'd be much money in it from an HFT perspective; traditional trading might benefit from it, however.

HFT shops co-locate, so they're running their code right there next to the exchange.

Edit: In case I've missed a point in the article, it wasn't intentional, it's banned at work so wasn't able to read it.

Re:HFT using neutrino physics: Stats Jackassery by pdovy on Monday June 18, 2012 @12:13PM (#4127115)
The use case for this would be communication between different colocations, which is where the networking "race" really is for HFT. For example, to arb products on the CME vs. the equities exchanges in the New York area (really colocated in various places in NJ).

At any rate, as the author mentions this isn't really a feasible technology.

Re:HFT using neutrino physics: Stats Jackassery by anonymoushn on Monday June 18, 2012 @12:08PM (#4127085)
This would be true if there were only one exchange. Instead, there are many around the world, and information provided by one can influence another.
Re:HFT using neutrino physics: Stats Jackassery by loganfrederick on Monday June 18, 2012 @12:11PM (#4127100)
I was at the R/Finance 2012 conference in Chicago about a month ago and one of the speakers commented that about "1 millisecond was worth $10,000," but I forget whether that was an annual number as in "1 millisecond saved is $10,000 a year" or "We can make $10,000 every millisecond." Hopefully someone else can corroborate this.
Re:HFT using neutrino physics: Stats Jackassery by retube on Monday June 18, 2012 @01:04PM (#4127387)
it's not 10,000 a millisecond. Trading desks normally think in terms of daily PnL - he prob meant every 1ms latency reduction would make them an extra 10k a day.
Re:HFT using neutrino physics: Stats Jackassery by loganfrederick on Monday June 18, 2012 @01:53PM (#4127631)
Yes, now that you mention it, that sounds right.