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Re:It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives ... by chgs on Thursday August 15, 2024 @04:26PM (#41260007)
Presumably double the density you also double the size of the school and double the teachers.

If you don’t, the problem isn’t the density.

Re:It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives ... by jjav on Thursday August 15, 2024 @05:47PM (#41260735)
> Presumably double the density you also double the size of the school and double the teachers.

It's not that easy. If you doubled the density, maybe there is nowhere left to go for the school to expand, or the land is now so expensive there is no way for the town to afford expanding the school.

My town is an example. The middle school had two quite large empty lots on two sides.

Those lots have now multi-story apartment buildings in construction. Presumably those apartments will attract younger families who might have kids going to middle school. But if that school ever needs to expand, it is now boxed in by housing on all sides. Time will tell how it goes.

Re:It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives ... by mjmahone17 on Thursday August 15, 2024 @07:52PM (#41261724)
Couldn’t the school just build taller too?
Re:It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives ... by wpm on Thursday August 15, 2024 @08:20PM (#41261871)
Or just build another school on the other side of town? Who says the catchment areas don’t shrink once population increases past a certain point?
Re:It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives ... by nineplay on Thursday August 15, 2024 @08:35PM (#41261952)
'just' is doing a lot of work there. No one 'just' adds more stories onto existing buildings.
Re:It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives ... by oerdier on Thursday August 15, 2024 @11:24PM (#41262873)
Won't solve the worse than 35/1 student/reacher ratio problem of ancestor post if those extra classrooms won't have teachers in them. Seems like increasing teacher shortage is a problem in the US as well as here in the EU.
Re:It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives ... by Jensson on Friday August 16, 2024 @11:15AM (#41267136)
Teacher shortage mostly happens in sparse communities not dense ones since it is easy to find teachers where lots of people live.
Re:It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives ... by oerdier on Friday August 16, 2024 @12:48PM (#41268062)
Here in the Netherlands, already a generally densely populated country, there's a teacher shortage everywhere, including cities.

People rather have higher paying jobs, or quit because the job disappoints. I belong to the latter group. I quit teaching at secondary school (ages 15-18). After three different schools in three different areas, and having spoken with many colleagues and their experiences, I sadly had to conclude that broadly the work culture in secondary education (in this country, at least) is dramatically lacking professionalism. To a point where I think if my goal is to teach the next generation well enough, my time and energy is better spent elsewhere.

Re:It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives ... by jjav on Friday August 16, 2024 @10:45PM (#41271937)
> Teacher shortage mostly happens in sparse communities not dense ones since it is easy to find teachers where lots of people live.

Only in medium density cities. Once you get to very high cost of living areas, finding and keeping teachers becomes extremely difficult because there's just not enough money to pay them enough for the cost of living. Many teachers either move to cheaper areas or change careers to high paying jobs.

Re:It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives ... by hyperman1 on Saturday August 17, 2024 @04:04AM (#41272723)
Around here, a lot of new teachers give up after 1 year. After a draining day in the class, checking their homework, prepping the next day, the governement gives teachers an additional mountain of paperwork to fill in, and parents want to discuss everything.

A second problem is kids found out they can get everyone fired for claiming sexual harassment. Especially male teachers are scared. A brat utters a single sentence and you'll never work again as a teacher, and all your neighbours hate you.

Teaching today is a bad job.

Re:It's the land, stupid: How the homebuilder cartel drives ... by nineplay on Thursday August 15, 2024 @04:52PM (#41260256)
There are a lot of problems, none of which are going to be addressed if the only focus is property values.

A school was knocked down in my neighborhood to build a pricey apartment complex. The district and the developers made a bunch of promises about how current schools would be expanded and more resources would be available. Those were all lies, of course. Apartment complexes make money, public schools do not. Guess which one wins.