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Re:Project Oak by Google by jb1991 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @01:29PM (#41248456)
> A bit surprised that it’s written in rust, rather than Go. I suppose rust can take advantage of more low level apis, plus no overhead of garbage collection.

It’s security-focused technology. Rust has huge advantages over Go in this area.

Re:Project Oak by Google by filleokus on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @01:36PM (#41248541)
> Rust has huge advantages over Go in this area.

Could you name some advantages? I would agree Rust has huge advantages compared to C/C++, and Rust also has a much bigger presence in the "security space". But I would say that's more because of Rust's lack of GC, smaller footprint which works in embedded systems etc.

I guess you could say that Rust's type system being more expressive might eliminate certain classes of bugs, which have security implications. But "huge advantages"?

(Honestly I'm not flame baiting, I'm genuinely curious if my worldview is wrong)

Re:Project Oak by Google by Ygg2 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @07:27PM (#41251689)
> But "huge advantages"?

They don't call null/nil the billion dollar mistake for nothing.

Re:Project Oak by Google by Myrmornis on Thursday August 15, 2024 @09:18AM (#41255689)
I think lack of union/sum types, i.e. lack of compiler exhaustivity checks on cases is pretty relevant here. For security applications the goal is maximum stringency w.r.t. correctness so I think “huge advantage “ isn’t an exaggeration regarding sum types. It’s not like “have you checked all cases” is an unimportant question when trying to prove correctness.
Re:Project Oak by Google by dijit on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @01:38PM (#41248562)
does it really? aside from a handful of crates and the default std hashmap i being slow but cryptographically sound: I would not have assumed so.

Go usage inside Google is actually quite low, people talk a lot about Go being a google project but in reality its a project made by some people who work at Google.

When I last checked it was a bronze supported language (with C++, Python and Java being Gold).

Re:Project Oak by Google by ycombinatrix on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:19PM (#41249564)
Python has first class support at Google? Didn't they just fire their entire Python team?
Re:Project Oak by Google by sulam on Thursday August 15, 2024 @10:11AM (#41256304)
Roughly, yes, but they didn’t stop doing the work. It was moved to another set of people.
Re:Project Oak by Google by deskr on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @02:12PM (#41248929)
What advantages are those?
Re:Project Oak by Google by morning-coffee on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @02:43PM (#41249224)
Rust's compiler can prevent data races, for example. (It forbids mutation in the presence of aliasing, which is the root of it.)
Re:Project Oak by Google by dijit on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:00PM (#41249383)
should be mentioned that Go has optional flags already built in to the compiler for detection of data races.
Re:Project Oak by Google by jb1991 on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:34PM (#41249683)
the race detector ( -race ) only detects races that actually occur. If they don't happen, then it doesn't detect them.
Re:Project Oak by Google by ycombinatrix on Wednesday August 14, 2024 @03:20PM (#41249573)
should we also mention that C has optional tooling for memory safety?