I think they're both pretty handwavy. In my opinion, both diagnose the problem correctly (we consume too much), but both lack actionable advice beyond that.

I don't think I've experienced many quick dismissals. Here's some of the conversations around personal responsibility I've personally experienced:

- reduce reuse recycle (this was drilled into my head at a young age)

- plastic vs paper vs reusable supermarket bags (pretty trivial)

- plastic vs paper straws (infuriatingly banal)

- EVs vs ICE vehicles (currently the only viable options are luxury cars, cutting a whole segment of the population out of the market)

- reduce meat consumption (as unpopular as it is effective)

- do not have children (extreme, extremely polarizing)

- reduce air travel (easy in theory, I just really like travel)

While it is heartening to hear that you have not heard many quick dismissals of personal responsibility (it really is), I certainly have quite often (and among them is the GP above, whose comment prompted me to ask for an explanation).

I concede that both attributions (personal or corporate) might be handwavy. Let's continue to wave our hands in both directions not only in one, is all I want to say.

> Let's continue to wave our hands in both directions not only in one, is all I want to say.

I could not agree more!