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Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by forgotusername on Friday June 15, 2012 @08:07PM (#4119372)
Namespaces exist for a reason. For example, what do you call your network printer after http://canon gets reserved by the printer manufacturer? Same with http://epson, whatever. And is http://printer1/ safe? Only until someone writes a paragraph justification and shows up with $1m.

The entire process is a money grabbing farce.

Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by ejdyksen on Friday June 15, 2012 @08:48PM (#4119479)
Does owning a gTLD entitle you to use the top of your namespace for anything other than NS/SOA records?

Put another way, if I'm Microsoft, can I put my website at http://microsoft? Or do I have to use http://www.microsoft?

I've looked to see if there is a policy from ICANN on this, but I can't find one. Historically, TLDs did not themselves point to hosts (or have other things like MX or TXT records).

Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by icebraining on Friday June 15, 2012 @08:49PM (#4119483)
Some ccTLDs do have A records, though, like http://ac
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by franze on Friday June 15, 2012 @09:32PM (#4119588)
great example!!!

i just tried to submit

  http://ac/
to hackernews. guess what? it didn't work.
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by Sami_Lehtinen on Saturday June 16, 2012 @03:44AM (#4120099)
Yeah, it's common to have bad url or email address validation. Many sites do not accept short email addresses at all. As example a @bc.de (space is there intentionally). When it becomes a @ bc then it's interesting to see how many sites will fail with that.
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by Cyranix on Sunday June 17, 2012 @03:59AM (#4122477)
I believe that TLDs with A records should resolve correctly if you add a period to the end, as in "http://ac.. As I recall, this came up when the "http://to. link shortener [no longer available] was discussed a while ago.
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by because on Saturday June 16, 2012 @07:00PM (#4121714)
What browser are you using? This worked in my browser.
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by ajasmin on Saturday June 16, 2012 @03:51AM (#4120109)
With the current trend of combining the address and search bar I doubt browsers will let you go to e.g. http://lol when you type "lol" in the bar.

In fact I just checked that typing "ac" in the Chrome omnibox makes a Google search for "ac" as I would expect. So the value of having an A record on a TLD is limited.

Edit: Somehow I missed the bar on top of the search results that says "Did you mean to go to http://ac " so there's some value after all.

Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by icebraining on Friday June 15, 2012 @08:18PM (#4119402)
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by forgotusername on Friday June 15, 2012 @09:52PM (#4119625)
Why should I have to type "canon.local" for my printer name, just in order to avoid an advert to buy a new printer? This destroys any sense of user preference in favor of large corporations pushing their shit further into your face even when you explicitly don't want it.

I've worked at many places where http://search/ was the Intranet search facility. Not now though, nope. Now your IT department will be under pressure to accept Big Search's latest site-integrated intranet search which they conveniently started marketing around the time they broke all your local URLs.

Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by nikcub on Saturday June 16, 2012 @12:29AM (#4119864)
The good thing about DNS is that the user controls it. You can set it to whatever you want. Enough people set it one way and it becomes a standard that no board can decide against.
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by pooriaazimi on Saturday June 16, 2012 @04:13PM (#4121486)
Sometimes changing DNS servers causes biiiig (and confusing) problems with captive networks.
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by jrockway on Saturday June 16, 2012 @11:45PM (#4122166)
The problem is the concept of hijacking DNS in order to show ads or beg for money on a wireless network. It's like saying that you don't want hands because when you hit them with a hammer, they start bleeding all over the place. The solution is to not hit your hand with a hammer, not to not have hands. Because they're pretty useful except for the whole bleeding thing.
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by pooriaazimi on Sunday June 17, 2012 @04:56AM (#4122536)
I was merely suggesting that changing DNS servers does not always work well in real life, most unfortunately.
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by because on Saturday June 16, 2012 @06:20AM (#4120304)
Exactly. What's needed is more public education. DNS is a basic thing all users should know about. You can stop someone on the street and they will know what "RAM" is. They might not be able to explain how it works or what it stands for, but they know what it is and they know they need it for applications to run smoothly. Same should be true of DNS. Mozilla, not to mention Adobe, can coordinate millions of people to all download the same program (Firefox, Flash plugin). People can be taught how to control their own DNS, e.g. how to choose a DNS server. But ICANN likes users to remain ignorant. They want everyone to use their root server without ever thinking about it. Well, that server is about to become overrun with needless tld's.
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by icebraining on Saturday June 16, 2012 @06:27AM (#4120312)
You can stop someone on the street and they will know what "RAM" is.

People in NY were asked what their browser was and the most common reply was "Google" - and this was before Chrome had any kind of share. People are completely ignorant when it comes to technology.

Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by because on Saturday June 16, 2012 @07:03AM (#4120353)
I saw that video. Hilarious!

But you're wrong. When people go to buy a computer, most know what RAM is, i.e., they've heard of it. It's because advertisements always mention it.

Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by icebraining on Saturday June 16, 2012 @05:33AM (#4120245)
They won't break your local URLs. Locally defined domains take priority over remote ones, you don't rely on them return NXDOMAIN for yours to work. It's a complete non-issue.
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by Chlorus on Friday June 15, 2012 @08:28PM (#4119430)
.local causes chaos if you're running Bonjour/Avahi on the same network
Re:Tech press misses Google/Amazon name grab by icebraining on Friday June 15, 2012 @08:51PM (#4119491)
You just need to configure them as static mappings in /etc/avahi/hosts.

http://linux.die.net/man/5/avahi.hosts