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Re:RLHF is just barely RL by qup on Thursday August 08, 2024 @11:01AM (#41192265)
What makes you think they'll need a perfect spec?

Why do you think they would need a more defined spec than a human?

Re:RLHF is just barely RL by digging on Thursday August 08, 2024 @11:58AM (#41192920)
A human has the ability to contact the PM and say, "This won't work, for $reason," or, "This is going to look really bad in $edgeCase, here are a couple options I've thought of."

There's nothing about AI that makes such operations intrinsically impossible, but they require much more than just the ability to generate working code.

Re:RLHF is just barely RL by Brian_K_White on Friday August 09, 2024 @12:26PM (#41203287)
A human needs a perfect spec too.

Anything you don't define, is literally undefined behavior the same as in a compiler. The human will do something, and maybe you like it and maybe you don't.

A perfect spec is just another way to dedcribe a formal language, ie any programming language.

If you don't care what you get, then say little and say it ambiguously and pull the slot machine lever.

If you care what you get then you don't necessarily have to say a lot but you have to remove ambiguity, and then what you have is a spec, and if it's rigorous enough, it's a program, regardless what language and syntax is used to express it.

Re:RLHF is just barely RL by carom on Sunday August 11, 2024 @05:12PM (#41219341)
I think the difference is that with a human you can say something ambiguous like "handle error cases" and they are going to put thought into the errors that come up. The LLM will just translate those tokens into if statements that do some validation and check return values after calls. The depth of thought is very different.
Re:RLHF is just barely RL by Brian_K_White on Sunday August 11, 2024 @08:49PM (#41220314)
But that is just a difference of degree, not of kind.

There is a difference between a human and an ai, and it is more than a difference of degrree, but filling in gaps with something that fits is not very significant. That can be done perfectly mechanistically.