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What are great international locations to work at?

I'm ~4.5 years into my career and I'm thinking about doing something outside of the US for my next job. I'm looking to jump in about half a year, so right now is the time to figure this stuff out.

I've got no responsibilities, no kids or SO at the moment, so now would be the perfect time in my career to do something wild. Where do people recommend for culture, outdoors, tech, and /or ease of visas?

For example I was thinking about New Zealand.

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Re:What are great international locations to work at? by tithe on Thursday August 08, 2024 @12:16AM (#41188066)
Tallinn, Estonia; good technology sector, too.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by wojciii on Thursday August 08, 2024 @03:28AM (#41188987)
The good: Estonians. The bad: The big scary neighbour.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by titoktok on Thursday August 08, 2024 @03:56AM (#41189137)
the good: lots of trees and lakes. the bad: depressive winters
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by wojciii on Thursday August 08, 2024 @08:51AM (#41190981)
This is a common theme around Scandinavia as well.

Summer: Light from 08 to 22ish. Winter: Dark at 16 around december.

Fuck.

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by spacemanspiff01 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @05:41AM (#41189676)
The Finn's are terrifying, held off the Russian invasions multiple times with a much smaller population, and were able to stay independent despite a 1000+ km border.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by wojciii on Thursday August 08, 2024 @08:50AM (#41190968)
It's the Russians that I'm afraid of. :)

My assumption is that Finland will not invade anyone unless provoked first..

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by zerosun on Thursday August 08, 2024 @12:13AM (#41188048)
South Africa
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by Python3267 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @12:25AM (#41188113)
Interesting, anything specific you like about South Africa? I've gotten the impression that it is a bit dangerous.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by GianFabien on Thursday August 08, 2024 @04:08AM (#41189218)
So are UK, Ukraine, Middle East. The AU govt has released a travel advisory cautioning travel to UK !
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by petargyurov on Thursday August 08, 2024 @04:30AM (#41189337)
It's a bit over the top to put the UK in the same category as Ukraine and the Middle East isn't?
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by switch007 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @05:49AM (#41189719)
Australia's rating for UK is 2nd lowest (of 4, "exercise a high degree of caution") and I think that's still an overreaction, especially as it applies to the whole country.

This is the problem with the extremely broad term "terrorism". Many associate it with suicide bombers and the like, not some angry racists who are currently being overpowered by counter protestors and police.

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by codingdave on Thursday August 08, 2024 @06:22AM (#41189886)
It is a bit dangerous, yes. All the way down at 130th in ranking of the safest countries.

Of course, the USA is 131st.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/safest-co...

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by d13 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @03:37PM (#41195354)
It has the world’s worst unemployment rate and, depending on how you slice the stats, the worst crime rate.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by dotcoma on Wednesday August 07, 2024 @11:55PM (#41187957)
Or Norway. South Africa. Israel (Tel Aviv) if you like beaches. Go for it.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by Python3267 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @12:26AM (#41188119)
I've heard of a lot of people heading up to Norway recently. What's your experience up there?
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by erkzswe on Thursday August 08, 2024 @04:22AM (#41189294)
Are you aware of current situation in Israel? It seems like it's very dangerous to live there right now.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by aristofun on Thursday August 08, 2024 @09:34AM (#41191320)
Actually statistically speaking you’re safer in Israel then in the safest US state. All things considered. Even during escalations.

Unless you live near hot spots.

Mainly because of a very low crime rate and decent medical services.

But I don’t suggest going there to work for other reasons: crazy expensive and very bad service, quality of living. Unles you are a billionaire.

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by ChumpGPT on Thursday August 08, 2024 @01:12AM (#41188311)
You can't just go anywhere and work. You need to hold a work VISA. If you go anywhere in Europe, you're not allowed to stay longer than 90 days in a 180 day period. Every country will require a work VISA and they are not that easy to get. Expect a huge pay cut compared to a US salary.

I suppose if you're self employed you can go anywhere but there are legal limits to the time you are allowed to stay in almost every country. This is not a planet where one can just work and live where ever they want.

Want to do something wild, Ukraine's International Legion is looking for people. It seems to meet your requirements of culture, outdoors, tech, and /or ease of visas.

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by wojciii on Thursday August 08, 2024 @08:54AM (#41190999)
Enlist today!

Use your drone tech skills to kill Russians!

That's a bit much for my taste..

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by danschuller on Thursday August 08, 2024 @11:13AM (#41192386)
A tech worker can get a job with a visa pretty much anywhere that has a sector.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by Python3267 on Monday August 19, 2024 @12:48PM (#41292589)
I know about that, part of the question is figuring out what nations have easier visa requirements.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by gabriel_dev on Thursday August 08, 2024 @02:18AM (#41188622)
If you have a remote dev job in the US then any Asia country would be great. Just need to do some visa runs every couple months and that's it. Low entry barrier and fun. Not a local job though but much better salary/cost of living ratio. Also if the chosen country is say Thailand - positive overall vibe.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by GianFabien on Thursday August 08, 2024 @04:06AM (#41189206)
Having lived in both NZ and AU I would suggest AU has more opportunities if you are looking to find a local job. Must check work visa conditions re: age, qualifications, duration, etc.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by nicbou on Thursday August 08, 2024 @04:06AM (#41189207)
You would need to be a lot more specific. This is a big planet. Have you travelled a bit before? Are you comfortable with not speaking the local language? How do you feel about Asia? Are you comfortable with being a visible minority? With benevolent racism? With living in an enclave with other well-off people? Is bike infrastructure important to you? How much bureaucracy are you willing to deal with? Do you want a high income or a low cost of living? Do you want something familiar or completely different? Can you handle extremely hot summers? Long and dark winters? What kind of nature are you looking for? Do you want something a little new, or a Big Adventure? What kind of work do you want to do there?

Think about what you want, and narrow it down from there.

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by steve1977 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @04:47AM (#41189399)
Doing what?
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by Python3267 on Saturday August 10, 2024 @10:16AM (#41209697)
Software Engineering
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by petargyurov on Thursday August 08, 2024 @05:04AM (#41189476)
> I've got no responsibilities, no kids or SO at the moment, so now would be the perfect time in my career to do something wild.

Perfect opportunity to NOT work for a bit. If you can afford it, go backpacking. Solo or otherwise. You will gain direct insight into where you want to live/work. Of course, when travelling, everything is seen through rose-tinted glasses, so bear in mind that the reality of living somewhere new is always more complicated than what you see when "on holiday".

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by m463 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @05:26AM (#41189574)
> the reality of living somewhere new is always more complicated than what you see when "on holiday".

Perfect opportunity to work international for a bit. :)

Honestly, I wonder where the line is. You want to immerse yourself in another culture, but not flounder/drown either.

Might be better to work at a more similar culture (ie us->england) as a stepping stone to a challenging change (us->asia)

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by Python3267 on Saturday August 10, 2024 @10:08AM (#41209636)
Yeah I've been thinking on this one and Asia would be too wild for me so Europe would be the destination.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by Xen9 on Thursday August 08, 2024 @12:58PM (#41193699)
Not working—the most valuable skill of our era.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by ogou on Thursday August 08, 2024 @05:07AM (#41189491)
The first criteria is whether you will be remote for a U.S. company or working within the region you're moving. That will have a huge impact on your options. If you're going for local work, keep in mind that international tech sectors can vary widely. Some countries have modern economies but underdeveloped tech industries. They tend to heavily recruit foreign workers. You'll be treated like royalty, but that doesn't mean it's interesting or fun to work there. Others have a large supply of tech workers but poor conditions for actual tech companies, like Poland and France.

Also, many countries and cultures have completely different work ethics and expectations. You may be used to fairly loose structures in terms of hours and management hierarchies. Many countries still expect tech workers to work like engineers from 20+ years ago. That means all day in your chair, long hours, and reporting to a manager that is not invested in your personal experience. American tech workers are often shocked when they land in these places.

In the opposite direction, if you work with many western Europeans, you'll be surprised at how some of them aren't very work oriented. That may be frustrating to people used to American companies. Also, communication is very different. I worked with an Italian engineer who got very loud very fast in any tech debate. It took me a while to get used to it, but I did when I understood that was just his background. He wasn't angry or confrontational, his previous jobs all communicated like that.

Those these kinds of differences exist around the world and can be very difficult for some folks. But, lots people also thrive in those environments. Your mileage may vary.

A small tip I have offered to people is to search for "relocation + [your main language/framework] + [region]" in LinkedIn job search. It will give you a general sense of the demand for particular skillsets industry directions in those areas. It's not foolproof, but usually leads to some interesting locations.

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by meiraleal on Thursday August 08, 2024 @05:53AM (#41189752)
I'm having the time of my life working for a US company and living in the beautiful city of Rio de Janeiro. Highly recommended!
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by aristofun on Thursday August 08, 2024 @09:31AM (#41191286)
After north america being a new hotel:

Europe - old hotel Middle east - beduin tent Asia - buddhist temple with a twist (twist depends on the specific place)

Donnow about the rest.

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by siamese_puff on Thursday August 08, 2024 @09:41AM (#41191385)
Can anyone speak to their experiences leaving the US and working for and within an EU country?
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by olegious on Thursday August 08, 2024 @03:10PM (#41195106)
Worked in Paris for a year, great work environment, wonderful work/life balance and benefits, smart co-workers, shit pay.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by danschuller on Thursday August 08, 2024 @11:14AM (#41192407)
Singapore - great food, easy travel to the rest of Asia, very safe, English speaking, hires a lot of tech workers internationally. However it is hot and humid.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by mstaoru on Friday August 09, 2024 @12:11AM (#41198710)
I looked at Singapore as a relocation target, but I noticed that post-covid silly money from PRC nationals fleeing the country has pushed the rent and other expenses way too high. The software sector jobs are also 90% either finance or crypto.
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by markus_zhang on Thursday August 08, 2024 @02:46PM (#41194869)
My mandatory criterias:

- I can speak the language and preferable have some contacts. Contacts don't have to be friends and Internet random people are fine, but they need to be locals to give me some information;

- The government does not have very stringent control over Internet. I don't want to have someone break into my door just because I reposted someone else's Tweet or voiced my concern;

- The city should have good hospitals, reasonably well public transit and other infrastructures. All public service should be of reasonable price to foreigners. They can and probably should be more expensive than the costs charged to the locals, but if it's 10x then it's too much.

- The local people don't dislike strangers;

- Crime rate is reasonable and I should not be afraid to walk after 9 p.m.;

- Living expense is lower than my resident country, otherwise it's just going to be a short vacation;

- It doesn't have large cockroaches;

Optional ones:

- It rains very little;

- It has public computers;

- It has a large electronics retail market;

I know some places that satisfy all mandatories except one, and some optional ones.

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by mindwork on Thursday August 08, 2024 @03:06PM (#41195071)
Amsterdam or Berlin in Europe
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by Python3267 on Saturday August 10, 2024 @10:17AM (#41209703)
Is the visa process easy for those two?
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by mindwork on Monday August 12, 2024 @12:59PM (#41226676)
Germany had a Blue Card visa, supposedly it's easy to obtain. As for Amsterdam, my only piece of knowledge is that booking.com is a big supporter of visas in there
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by alexmolas on Thursday August 08, 2024 @05:01PM (#41196212)
Barcelona. It has good weather all the year. A great start-up environment. Great WLF. Great people. And a lot of things to do after work. Geographically it's placed in one of the best spots in the world. In winter you can go to ski in the Pyrenees, and in summer you can go to the beach yo Costa Brava or Mallorca/Menorca
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by tinkertrain on Thursday August 08, 2024 @06:54PM (#41197261)
Barcelona is great! Lived there for 4.5 years, beautiful city, amazing food and wine, not as much culture as say Madrid, but you can get there in 2 hours by high speed train for cheap!

Also, great public transport, biking infrastructure, _very_ walkable, they've made incredible progress here by restricting cars with initiatives like the "super blocks", I lived near where they put the first ones and loved it (I'm quite anti-car in general though).

It does get too busy in the summer with tourists but just avoid the worst areas (like a New Yorker wouldn't spend time in Time Square for example, I almost never went to "Las Ramblas") or spend part of the summer somewhere else in Spain like most Spanish do, at the beach or escape the heat in "the green Spain" (Asturias, Coruña, etc).

Also, Spain has recently released a Digital Nomad Visa, so you could get a remote job in the US and move there.

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by ffhhj on Thursday August 08, 2024 @08:55PM (#41197892)
Costa Rica
Re:What are great international locations to work at? by lancewiggs on Thursday August 08, 2024 @11:28PM (#41198546)
I'm a New Zealander who lived in the US for ~5 years amongst other places, and have been back here for 20 years. I worked or studied in a new location, used the money earned to travel for a few months (up to 2 years), and then started afresh in a new location. It was an amazing way to combine learning and great international travel experiences with career progression.

Some learnings to consider

1: Fit in a box. Accountants, teachers, nurses, doctors are easy jobs to travel with, once they understand how to get local accreditation. So for tech/engineering jobs it's good to have a very clear definition and track record of what you are and for that to be in demand. (Even better - have your own business and operate from anywhere, and/or study abroad)

2: Be in the right time and place. Cities and countries have a sweetspot for life stages, and also for political and economic cycles. I got to be in the UK doing the 90s, and US during the dot com boom, and Australia in a mining boom. Go where it is easy and fun.

3: Balance work and travel. Work hard, but enjoy the location while you are there. But if work is all consuming then take a lot of time between destinations to travel locally and internationally.

Come to New Zealand! We have a number of ways to get in. At one end is the working holiday visa (1), which is available to a few countries, costs NZ$420 to apply and gets up to 12m work. At the other end is the Active Investor Plus Visa (2) (Our fund is on the eligible list). And there are the usual options in-between (3).

(1) https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/visas/visa... (2) https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/visas/visa... (3) https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas

Re:What are great international locations to work at? by Python3267 on Saturday August 10, 2024 @10:12AM (#41209669)
Thank you, this is wonderful!