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Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by doctorwho42 on Monday August 05, 2024 @12:34PM (#41162878)
And that you should strive to be a non-crap person because it is a valuable trait.
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by debacle on Monday August 05, 2024 @03:46PM (#41164799)
Crap people with initiative have done more good for the world that the non-crap people ever will.
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by lukan on Monday August 05, 2024 @12:45PM (#41162979)
I guess allmost everyone tries that - it is just that our definition of "crap people" is quite different.
Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by nyokodo on Monday August 05, 2024 @03:41PM (#41164732)
> everyone tries that

They don’t really. People try and fit in publicly so that they’re seen to be good by their group, whereas fitting in to any group at any level in any age requires accepting some things that you know are bad and when things aren’t visible people commonly indulge in a lot of bad that even their group would publicly object to often with the moral license they feel they’ve earned from the performative good they do in public. Being a truly good person by our own standards is hard to the point of almost being impossible.

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by lukan on Monday August 05, 2024 @06:55PM (#41166364)
"Being a truly good person by our own standards is hard to the point of almost being impossible."

My favorite trope, the snark knight.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSnarkKnight

Still, I don't think it is impossible. It just depends on the standards one sets. Some seem to be doing fine, being assholes. But I also suffer from setting my standards impossible high. But I cannot really change them without giving up myself.

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by nyokodo on Monday August 05, 2024 @07:19PM (#41166495)
> I don't think it is impossible

I agree. I said "almost impossible."

> the snark knight

This isn't snark, or self-righteousness. This view on humanity is merely a realization most religions and cultures have come to understand across human history.

> Some seem to be doing fine, being assholes

Even if their standards are incredibly low I wager they are failing at them all the time, and if they don't admit it then they are lying to save face, lying to themselves, and making excuses.

Re:Uncovered Euripides fragments are 'kind of a big deal' by adolph on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @09:42AM (#41170805)
>> everyone tries [to be a non-crap person]

> People try and fit in publicly so that they’re seen to be good by their group

These statements are not in disagreement.

  “People who live in society have learnt how to see themselves, in mirrors, as they appear to their friends.”

  ― Jean-Paul Sartre, Nausea [0]

> requires accepting some things that you know are bad

Light is the head that accepts one's own doing as "bad." Moreoften I think people face inner resistance stemming from the cognitive dissonance between the unknowable "own standards" and the very legible external standards.[1, 2]

0. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/548471-people-who-live-in-s...

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology)

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality