I also think we might accomplish more if people could find themselves to being more compromising. Not that we don’t benefit from having a bunch of distros, but perhaps there’s a bit too much segmentation.
That said, Linux is inherently a community project, and compromise is required for any large community. I think the fragmentation is the biggest thing holding back desktop Linux. Not only are talented people solving some of the same problems 30 different ways, but in doing so, ignoring other problem that need solving. This can also be viewed through the lens of user choice and allowing the best ideas to win. The larger issue (imo) is it creates a huge learning curve for new users just to get started. Windows and macOS don't have this problem, because there is a singular vision and the company choose a solution to move forward with that all the employees get behind. All that fragmentation and testing is done internally, and the public doesn't have to deal with it, for the most part.
I'm not convinced.
The main thing holding back desktop Linux is buggy upstream software not working, which usuall affect all distros. LibreOffice Writer didn't have a rastered ruler for 10 years, no quality GPU driver for some AMD card, some KDE app segfaults, some Python app has a value unexpectedly being None, a kernel minor version update just completely broke the version of VirtualBox on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS -- those were and often still are daily problems that no amount of distro hopping or fragmentation consolidation will fix.
The "large" distributions justify their existence by differing in key aspects that cannot be consolidated:
* Corporate vs community, e.g. RedHat/SuSE/Ubuntu vs. Debian
* Fundamental concepts, e.g. NixOS/Guix vs. everything else
* Up-to-date-ness, e.g. Arch vs. Debian
There are some aspects of fragmentation that _could_ be consolidated by better software and more configurability, e.g.
* Source vs. binary, e.g. NixOS provides both
* Choice of libc, e.g. NixOS ships glibc by default but you can easily get much software with musl, and it's technically possible (but needs more community power) to provide a whole system running musl with a single line of config for the end user
* GUI vs CLI configuration
For the small distros, they are niche enough that them merging with another distro doesn't have a huge consolidation effect overall. For example, I do not see how Void Linux and Alpine Linux merging would significantly improve the life of the mass of Ubuntu users, or signficiantly advance "Linux on the desktop".
It's true that there's some amount of duplicate work occurring, but much of that is often easily re-used across distros. For example, if in NixOS something doesn't work with the newest version of musl, one would usually check if Alpine already solved that and if yes, swiftly copy the approach. The main work is for the _first_ one to figure it out, and that work is necessary even if there was only 1 distro.
Reducing distribution fragmentation isn't what makes "Linux on the desktop" happen.
Fixing broken software, making good desktop environments, creating Wine or Proton or Pipewire or cross-platform software (LibreOffice, all browsers, Electron), does.
Due to the fragmentation, I don't think most users make it far enough to run into the application or UX issues. It seems like reducing fragmentation would get more people into the door, and once they are in the door, having those developers work on making the core experience better, is what keeps people around. Once the platform has more users, that will bring in even more developers... the ones who are there as a job, not just enthusiasts, which should lead to an upward spiral for quality.
In terms of the large distributions not being able to be consolidated... I don't think the average user (read: typical Windows and macOS users) care about any of that, other than not having to go to the CLI to change a config. A user should not need to know what glibc is.
In a large open community full of volunteers with no central leader with any real authority, it's going to be a bit of a mess without compromise. Various uncompromising projects might be very good, but the larger sum of all the parts won't fit together as nicely as anyone might want.
> Funtoo started as a philosophy to create a fun community of contributors building something great together. For me, it's no longer that so I need to move on to other things.
It's clear that his intention was to build a community around his vision and it's always sad to see when that doesn't work out.
That's been my experience. YMMV.
Gentoo lets you customize just about everything, but it seems like with Funtoo they take a bit of that control ability out of your hands so you can have a functional system without needing to think so much about the minutia of installation and the like as you do with Gentoo.
- Sometimes another Open Source project will drop some turd in our wilderness
- Wolves that don’t hunt are domesticated pets.
- We will claim new territory only as our pack grows, all the while ensuring that the territory we currently hold is kept secure.
- what some bunny did in some random hole last Thursday
The high school bit is the author not having the maturity to see that they are forcing their ego over and around the project.
And then the loner bit is just an assumption, based on the idea that people who have been hurt by social rejection overcompensate in the other direction.
Like:
> We will claim new territory only as our pack grows, all the while ensuring that the territory we currently hold is kept secure.
Is this not just about maintenance burden vs. contributor base?
I used to be into Gentoo, but the community got pretty toxic around the time that Robbins left. My sense was Robbins was trying to start over with less negativity. Hence the "fun" part of "funtoo".
I believe ChromeOS was based on Gentoo initially. So by that time the community was nice enough for a big tech company to make a financial bet on it.
https://www.funtoo.org/Wolf_Pack_Philosophy
My understanding is that it was created after the founder of Gentoo had some disagreements about the direction of the distro and forked. Many of the big distinctions (like git instead of rsync for updates; gentoo supports both now) have eroded over time.