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Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by TheChaplain on Friday July 26, 2024 @05:20PM (#41082382)
Not only the tech market, they're on a pace in destroying the agricultural market as well. Small, medium size farmers are disappearing fast, they quit or at best being absorbed by large farmcorps.
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by insane_dreamer on Friday July 26, 2024 @06:07PM (#41082745)
That’s already happened in the US without regulation, little farms don’t stand a chance against giant agribusinesses which may not even be US owned (largest pork producer is owned by Chinese) . In fact regulation is probably preventing it from happening faster in the EU.
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by Zpalmtree on Saturday July 27, 2024 @12:34AM (#41084479)
what are you talking about bro the US has tons of farming regulation haha
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by insane_dreamer on Saturday July 27, 2024 @11:23AM (#41087157)
Fair point I was comparing US to EU.
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by kazen44 on Friday July 26, 2024 @05:40PM (#41082557)
the agriculture market relies heavily on goverment intervention to even exist.

The EU and its member states give out huge subsidies to keep food production local in the EU without being completely destroyed by cheaper crops from third world countries.

The US does the same, and it is for good reason, to actually make sure a steady food supply exists inside the country/union.

Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by stvltvs on Friday July 26, 2024 @05:34PM (#41082511)
American agriculture already went down that path. This might be a global pattern following the adoption of improved technology. Is there a reason to believe otherwise in the case of Europe? Or maybe it's a multifaceted phenomenon.
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by melbourne_mat on Friday July 26, 2024 @06:27PM (#41082880)
Not advocating for it but it's called economies of scale and it's happening in every country including mine (Australia)
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by threatofrain on Friday July 26, 2024 @05:29PM (#41082453)
For agriculture at large I wonder if that's not going to be the final economic state everywhere in the world, regardless of government. That's just more efficient. Is there anywhere in the world where this trend is reversing and looking healthy?
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by silverquiet on Friday July 26, 2024 @05:32PM (#41082482)
It's literal Econ 101 that economies of scale push towards monopolization. It's why we used to have anti-trust laws in the US.
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by stfp on Friday July 26, 2024 @05:34PM (#41082505)
Unless you only look at the financial side of things, and only from the perspective of the larger corps benefiting from this trend, it's not healthy at all.
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by threatofrain on Friday July 26, 2024 @05:35PM (#41082514)
I'm asking for counterexamples which are healthy. What is the leading example in your mind?
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by heavyset_go on Friday July 26, 2024 @07:04PM (#41083109)
There's this new book called The Grapes of Wrath that might interest you.
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by lennixm on Friday July 26, 2024 @06:33PM (#41082916)
So making agricultural markets orders of magnitudes more efficient is destroying it in your view?
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by Woodi on Saturday July 27, 2024 @03:40AM (#41085058)
>> Small, medium size farmers are disappearing fast, they quit or at best being absorbed by large farmcorps.

> So making agricultural markets orders of magnitudes more efficient is destroying it in your view?

Yes, of course it is.

It's like replacing families by hell called a "System" - wet dream of the eg. leftists.

It literaly destroy "market" becouse producers side disappear and you have just institution :)

It destroys it becouse no one know how or want to do that hard agriculture business. People will just prefer to sit in slums around big cities. What they can do anyway if everything is not big but giant ? How to buy such area ? How to even learn what to do with it ?? How to acquire buyers if you even get that giant area LOL ? And if it to big for one man or family how to get enough workers (why they even wanted to live slums ? how they even learn what to do??) ??

That giant and efficient (in one dimension) thing just extend himself into lack of self-sufficiency on multigeneration time scale.

Monoculture becose it's cheaper ? :>

Product quality ??? Compare to XO brandy, champagne or artisanal leather wallets. Not to boxed milk with "not yet discovered" PFASes or future "improvements".

Food security in case of war or invasion ? Or mass drone invasion ? Without small and medium agriculture you have nowhere to run. And why to even run - do one giant owner will take multiple ex-bigcity refugees to his home (and feed them few months) or just hire security to shot them or scary of his land ?

And even if giant owner want to help he can't. Becouse hi is only one. Compare to many small/farms - they are somehow just "human" and humanity sized...

Don Corleone was planting tomatoes at the end ;)

I met few peoples that when stopped to be young just moved to province and started peacefull living of the land. Giant farms are a no go for that purposes.

And yes, eg. China builds piggeries and cowsheds town-sized now. Now imagine one case of some-flue in that "town" - best case... And suddenly millions have prices hike or are starving. Or Africa countries get very cheap but toxic meat. Or animal food. Eg. with prions included...

And all of that are just real world facts and "technicals". Now add greeeeed by "lawful" owners. Tell me - is that hypothetical ? \s You easily can write long replay or tree of them just on that subject :>

Corect way is to not build hell on earth in the first place.

Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by nradov on Friday July 26, 2024 @05:44PM (#41082583)
When it comes to commodity staple foods there's just no way that small farms can survive. It isn't realistic given advances in technology and economies of scale. This isn't a problem, it's just inevitable. Small farms that want to remain independent will have to switch from commodities to specialty foods that command higher profit margins.
Re:Europe is in danger of regulating its tech market out of ... by throwawaysleep on Friday July 26, 2024 @06:02PM (#41082711)
That’s not destroying it, that’s saving it from the doldrums of inefficiency and requiring masses of people focused on food production.