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Re:Every company should be owned by its employees by consteval on Friday July 26, 2024 @10:06AM (#41078775)
Unions aren't an external third party, that's where this idea falls apart.

If an employee wants to work without a hard hat, and the employer also wants the employee to work without a hard hat, but OSHA says no, is that more or less rights?

The naive answer is less rights - well the employee wants to! In practice, this manifests as pressure. Soon no employees wear hard hats. And they're denied the right to a safe working environment.

I argue its MORE rights. Because we give the employee, and employer, the right to a safe working environment.

Meaning, if we want employees to have the right to fair negotiations, we have to restrict employers.

Re:Every company should be owned by its employees by hellojesus on Monday July 29, 2024 @10:23AM (#41100703)
My belief stats simply that the employees that want to wear hard hats seek employment elsewhere. Combined with much higher private insurance rates, it's unlikely that the business without hardhats would remain competitively priced.

Edit: OSHA would truly be a third party here. A union is a first party. Also: I believe OSHA is unconstitutional.