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Re:Every company should be owned by its employees by WalterBright on Thursday July 25, 2024 @12:40PM (#41070663)
Without American billionaires, there would be no SpaceX.

YCombinator is billionaires investing in startups.

Re:Every company should be owned by its employees by andrepd on Thursday July 25, 2024 @03:39PM (#41072544)
This is literally like a peasant in the middle ages saying "without your Lord you wouldn't have a mill".
Re:Every company should be owned by its employees by WalterBright on Thursday July 25, 2024 @05:55PM (#41073796)
Mills flourished in colonial America without lords. They're not that hard to construct.
Re:Every company should be owned by its employees by andrepd on Friday July 26, 2024 @08:30AM (#41078066)
Exactly. So you're agreeing with me
Re:Every company should be owned by its employees by bccdee on Thursday July 25, 2024 @08:04PM (#41074733)
I already addressed this:

> Billionaires tend to steer the economy toward vanity projects.

Musk's only meaningful contribution to SpaceX was money. We could just have raised NASA's budget instead, but we didn't. There are lots of things that we need to spend money on. Space is not our top priority.

Musk, however, is independently wealthy and can spend that money on whatever he wants. So he spent it on rockets, as a vanity project. Yes, some useful innovations came out of that. But what was the opportunity cost? Was this where the money was best spent? I have no reason to believe so.

Re:Every company should be owned by its employees by WalterBright on Thursday July 25, 2024 @08:33PM (#41074902)
> Musk's only meaningful contribution to SpaceX was money.

It was a heck of a lot more than that. See "Elon Musk" by Vance.

> We could just have raised NASA's budget instead

He did it for a tiny fraction of NASA's budget.

> So he spent it on rockets, as a vanity project

He's reached cash flow positive.

> Was this where the money was best spent? I have no reason to believe so.

Becoming the richest man in the world through his investing is a whopper of a reason that it was well spent.

Re:Every company should be owned by its employees by bccdee on Friday July 26, 2024 @12:14AM (#41075720)
> He did it for a tiny fraction of NASA's budget.

NASA does a lot of things. If they'd been given SpaceX's capital and a mandate to build reusable rockets, I'm sure they could. They're world-class engineers.

> It was a heck of a lot more than that. See "Elon Musk" by Vance.

I'm not going to read his biography for the sake of your post. Rich people like to act as if they're uniquely good leaders, but it's easy to take credit from a room full of people when they're all on your payroll. If Musk had something to contribute other than fame and cash, name it.

> Becoming the richest man in the world through his investing is a whopper of a reason that it was well spent.

Not at all. Him becoming rich benefits nobody but himself. Funnelling money toward one individual's personal wealth is an extremely poor allocation of resources.

> He's reached cash flow positive.

Barely. And so what? Pet rocks were profitable. Did we actually need SpaceX? Is this really best the direction that so many billions of dollars worth of economic activity could have been directed? Is Elon Musk, the buffoon who ruined Twitter, really the person who should be making that choice?