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Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by maxdo on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @10:23AM (#41057419)
I'm really unsure if it's a good idea given the current geopolitics.

Open-Source Code in the past was fantastic because the West had a monopoly on CPUs and computers. Sharing and contributing was amazing while ensured that tyrants couldn't use this tech to harm people simply because they don't have a hardware to run.

But now, things are different. China is advancing in chip technology, and Russia is using open-source AI to harm people on the scale today, with auto-targeting drones being just the start. Red sea conflict etc.

And somehow, Zuckerberg keeps finding ways to mess up people's lives, despite having the best intentions.

Right now you can build a semi-autonomous drone with AI to kill people for ~$500-700. The western world will still use safe and secure commercial models. While new axis of evil will use models based on Meta or any other open source to do whatever harm they can imagine with not a hint of control.

This particular model. Fine-tune it to develop a nuclear bomb using all possible research that level of government can get on the scale. Killing drone swarms etc. Once the knowledge got public these models can be a base model to get expert-level knowledge to anyone who wants it, uncensored. Especially if you are government that wants to destroy a peaceful order for whatever reason.

Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by AlexandrB on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @10:49AM (#41057687)
This argument reminds me a lot of restrictions on exporting encryption in the 90s.
Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by keepswag on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @11:26AM (#41058045)
It was not amazing that the West had monopolies because they are the ones using AI and advancing AI tech to harm people. Im not sure what youre getting at here with that comment

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24151437/ai-israel-gaza-w...

https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-cal...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai...

Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by rmbyrro on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @10:32AM (#41057511)
You think Russia and China wouldn't be able to steal any closed model for a couple million dollars?
Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by maxdo on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @10:40AM (#41057591)
stealing a model and building the entire AI community is a very very big difference :

Fine tune, update, Run model without very deep domain knowledge, that's what we receive as an outcome.

If you are a software engineer and you steal a model in some close format of Open AI , you will not get lots of benefits even if you understand the format of that model, it's a complex beast by all means.

This is a playbook how anyone can run it.

So yeah, big corp is evil from one side, but oh well, think of North Korea, Russia etc level of evilness and what they can do whit that.

Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by talldayo on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @11:53AM (#41058305)
> think of North Korea, Russia etc level of evilness and what they can do whit that.

To date, I have not seen any "evil" applications of AI, let alone dangerous or even useful ones. If Russia or North Korea get their hands on a modern AI model, the CIA will get their "Red Mercury" call: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_mercury

Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by rmbyrro on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @08:05PM (#41063522)
If you think Chinese engineers can't deploy and productize (even weaponize) LLM models in production with the same ease as Western engineers, I think you're talking about last century China.
Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by that_guy_iain on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @10:35AM (#41057540)
Wouldn’t even need to pay to steal it. FAANG have been shown to be hacked by state actors. China has some of the best hackers in the world.
Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by wavemode on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @11:04AM (#41057826)
You're vastly overestimating the capability of LLMs to create new knowledge not already contained in their training material.
Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by adhamsalama on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @10:45AM (#41057628)
So, only the west should be able to use AI to kill people because they're the good guys?