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Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by sidcool on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @11:57AM (#41047438)
Honest question. As far as LLMs are concerned, isn't open weights same as open source?
Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by aloe_falsa on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @12:08PM (#41047590)
GPL defines the “source code” of a work as the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. If Meta released a petabyte of raw training data, would that really be easier to extend and adapt (as opposed to fine-tuning the weights)?
Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by paulhilbert on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @12:10PM (#41047617)
No, I would argue that from the three main ingredients - training data, model source code and weights - weights are the furthest away from something akin to source code.

They're more like obfuscated binaries. When it comes to fine-tuning only however things shift a little bit, yes.

Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by sidcool on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @11:11PM (#41053305)
I don't expect them to release the data used to train the models. But I agree that the code is an important ingredient of 'open'.
Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by frabcus on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @02:27AM (#41054149)
Must include the code that curates the data
Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by mesebrec on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @12:02PM (#41047506)
Open source requires, at the very least, that you can use it for any purpose. This is not the case with Llama.

The Llama license has a lot of restrictions, based on user base size, type of use, etc.

For example you're not allowed to use Llama to train or improve other models.

But it goes much further than that. The government of India can't use Llama because they're too large. Sex workers are not allowed to use Llama due to the acceptable use policy of the license. Then there is also the vague language probibiting discrimination, racism etc.. good luck getting something like that approved by your legal team.

Re:Open Source AI Is the Path Forward by blackeyeblitzar on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @04:55PM (#41050713)
No open weights are the output of a proprietary and secretive process of training. It’s like sharing a pre compiled application instead of what you need to reproduce the compiled application.

AI2’s OLMo is an example of what open source actually looks like for LLMs:

https://blog.allenai.org/hello-olmo-a-truly-open-llm-43f7e73...