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Re:Microsoft points finger at the EU for not being able to l... by tomohawk on Monday July 22, 2024 @12:35PM (#41036381)
Isn't this is what MS's complaint about the EU is about?

Apple evicted these things from kernel access, resulting in better product.

MS is saying they wanted to do the exact same thing, but EU has mandated the access in order to allow multiple products to become rootkits.

Re:Microsoft points finger at the EU for not being able to l... by paulmd on Monday July 22, 2024 @02:33PM (#41037978)
wendell level1techs has been talking about how microsoft is specifically moving away from it in Windows on ARM (to some real short-term pain, in fact) so it seems self-serving to assert that they somehow cannot do it because of the EU. if that's the case, presumably their windows-on-arm efforts would have been dinged for it.

https://youtu.be/5KHCLBqRrnY?t=5849

like if apple is doing it, and microsoft is doing it in their ARM build... what is the EU doing or imposing, exactly, that is so problematic for the x86 branch of microsoft?

the more reasonable interpretation (ignoring microsoft's excuses) is that microsoft is more constrained by the legacy nature of their x86 product. they can't just sunset it, because it'll break a billion shitty applications that are very important to one specific factory customer running their thing with a kernel hook that is long-since EOL'd or whatever.

What they mean is they don't want to, and the EU is just a convenient scapegoat for some unfortunate business realities.

Re:Microsoft points finger at the EU for not being able to l... by throwaway4pp24 on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @06:19AM (#41044471)
Perhaps they are trying to do the same thing as Apple and are claiming Windows on Arm is a separate product that this doesn't apply to.
Re:Microsoft points finger at the EU for not being able to l... by paulmd on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @10:18PM (#41053059)
honestly quite probably, in a sense - they definitely seem to be trying to make a clean break in some ways. they don't really want "kernel-mode printer drivers, but with arm". and yeah they definitely seem to be viewing that as the Next Model, probably eventually they would roll out similar things to the basic-tier windows x86 pcs etc.
Re:Microsoft points finger at the EU for not being able to l... by CRConrad on Monday July 29, 2024 @05:11PM (#41103845)
> MS is saying they wanted to do the exact same thing, but EU has mandated the access in order to allow multiple products to become rootkits.

No. The EU only mandated that Microsoft give other vendors the same access they themselves use to do the same thing. This was the wake-up call to Microsoft to stop doing it that way, and in stead build a more secure API for themselves as well as others to use. But they preferred to sleep through it, for another fifteen years.

They didn't “want to do the exact same thing”; if they had wanted to, they could have done it.