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Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by hu3 on Monday July 22, 2024 @05:08AM (#41032268)
Am I wrong to conclude from the abstract that sleep deprivation + caffeine = reduction in grey matter?

Abstract:

> Evidence has shown that both sleep loss and daily caffeine intake can induce changes in grey matter (GM). Caffeine is frequently used to combat sleepiness and impaired performance caused by insufficient sleep. It is unclear (1) whether daily use of caffeine could prevent or exacerbate the GM alterations induced by 5-day sleep restriction (i.e. chronic sleep restriction, CSR), and (2) whether the potential impact on GM plasticity depends on individual differences in the availability of adenosine receptors, which are involved in mediating effects of caffeine on sleep and waking function. Thirty-six healthy adults participated in this double-blind, randomized, controlled study (age = 28.9 ± 5.2 y/; F:M = 15:21; habitual level of caffeine intake < 450 mg; 29 homozygous C/C allele carriers of rs5751876 of ADORA2A, an A2A adenosine receptor gene variant). Each participant underwent a 9-day laboratory visit consisting of one adaptation day, 2 baseline days (BL), 5-day sleep restriction (5 h time-in-bed), and a recovery day (REC) after an 8-h sleep opportunity. Nineteen participants received 300 mg caffeine in coffee through the 5 days of CSR (CAFF group), while 17 matched participants received decaffeinated coffee (DECAF group). We examined GM changes on the 2nd BL Day, 5th CSR Day, and REC Day using magnetic resonance imaging and voxel-based morphometry. Moreover, we used positron emission tomography with [18F]-CPFPX to quantify the baseline availability of A1 adenosine receptors (A1R) and its relation to the GM plasticity. The results from the voxel-wise multimodal whole-brain analysis on the Jacobian-modulated T1-weighted images controlled for variances of cerebral blood flow indicated a significant interaction effect between caffeine and CSR in four brain regions: (a) right temporal-occipital region, (b) right dorsomedial prefrontal cortex (DmPFC), (c) left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex (DLPFC), and (d) right thalamus. The post-hoc analyses on the signal intensity of these GM clusters indicated that, compared to BL, GM on the CSR day was increased in the DECAF group in all clusters but decreased in the thalamus, DmPFC, and DLPFC in the CAFF group. Furthermore, lower baseline subcortical A1R availability predicted a larger GM reduction in the CAFF group after CSR of all brain regions except for the thalamus. In conclusion, our data suggest an adaptive GM upregulation after 5-day CSR, while concomitant use of caffeine instead leads to a GM reduction. The lack of consistent association with individual A1R availability may suggest that CSR and caffeine affect thalamic GM plasticity predominantly by a different mechanism. Future studies on the role of adenosine A2A receptors in CSR-induced GM plasticity are warranted.

Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by Strumpfli on Monday July 22, 2024 @05:37AM (#41032465)
That's what I concluded as well. What seems interesting is that sleep deprivation alone increased the GM, while combined with caffeine, the effect is reversed. Surprising, since I feel like the general impression on caffeine in media is that it does not harm the brain.
Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by regularfry on Monday July 22, 2024 @06:17AM (#41032730)
My interpretation of that (especially over a short period like this) is that sleep restriction causes swelling in the grey matter, which caffeine reverses. Interpreted like that, caffeine would be protecting the brain, not harming it.
Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by Terr_ on Monday July 22, 2024 @06:28AM (#41032804)
I think it's far too early to assume assume the "swelling" is a net harm or that preventing it is good in the long run.

Perhaps it serves an important protective or regulatory purpose which we haven't yet identified, because we still know so little about sleep and consciousness.

An analogy: There are lots of systems in your body that try to prevent and deter you from casually walking on a damaged leg, and we can override some of them with various external drugs, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea.

Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by code51 on Monday July 22, 2024 @06:44AM (#41032921)
So it very well could be that thinking on a worn neuron, trying to do memory access on it, might damage it even more (leg analogy)? It could be possible that the "swelling" could be redirecting brain to use other paths but with caffeine you're utilizing a worn-out neuron.

Maybe with chronic deprivation + caffeine habit, you're weakening your cognitive function - repeatedly using a misfiring neuron. At least, with no caffeine, you'd feel your memory is hazy and hard to recall, go to sleep.

Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by Terr_ on Monday July 22, 2024 @02:30PM (#41037926)
IANANeuroscientist, but my idle-thought was that a lack of sleep could cause a buildup of waste byproducts, and structural adaptations might either reduce the effect of the buildup or else make its removal marginally easier.
Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by regularfry on Monday July 22, 2024 @07:12AM (#41033078)
Yes, that's my point. You can read this either way. But we do know that sleep deprivation is harmful, and it's conceivable that this might point to a mechanism by which that harm is caused. Or it might be a defence mechanism which the caffeine is now interfering with, making things worse.
Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by newzisforsukas on Monday July 22, 2024 @09:26AM (#41034113)
What about the imaging method makes you interpret it this way?
Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by mrinterweb on Monday July 22, 2024 @02:36PM (#41038023)
How did you make that connection? I didn't get that info from this study, but I have seen other studies that suggest sleep deprivation causes neuroinflammation, and I have seen studies that say coffee can reduce neuroinflammation. I have seen that the neuroinflammation described as a defense mechanism to assist with the removal of toxins. Possible connection being that if coffee reduces neuroinflammation when there are toxins present that may be a cause for more damage? I have zero qualifications, just trying to understand.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9658704/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5476750/

Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by hnbad on Monday July 22, 2024 @06:15AM (#41032717)
Oh, great, so my brain really is soup after decades of drinking caffeine and not sleeping enough because of untreated AuDHD.
Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by Bumblonono on Monday July 22, 2024 @08:36AM (#41033677)
I read a while back that people with ADHD have even holes in their brains after years/decades :|

I love my work from home because i started sleeping in on wednesday if i had a shitty night.

For nearly a decade i was super tired after wednesday

Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by grumple on Monday July 22, 2024 @06:00AM (#41032617)
It sounds like it temporarily reduces the measure of the volume of the gray matter due to changes in blood and cerebral fluid flow. I’m imagining it like a sponge that absorbs more without caffeine. I don’t see any judgment about whether this is good, bad, or neutral.
Re:Caffeine suppresses cerebral grey matter responses to chr... by alias_neo on Monday July 22, 2024 @05:55AM (#41032582)
That's what I understood too, so I came here to see if I was misunderstanding.