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Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by mensetmanusman on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:00PM (#41028579)
Could have easily pulled back from offering Ukraine NATO expansion possibilities.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by Calavar on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:36PM (#41028907)
If you believe the Kremlin narrative around their motivations for the war, and I think there are a LOT of reasons to be skeptical of that narrative, but even if you believe it, the 2022 invasion plans were likely already well underway in 2020. These things are planned years in advance (Bush was already working on an Iraq invasion plan pre 9/11, for example) and once things are in motion the stakeholders are not easily turned around.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by LtWorf on Sunday July 21, 2024 @07:02PM (#41029120)
Military people do planning at all times. Doesn't mean that the plans will surely be applied.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by Calavar on Sunday July 21, 2024 @07:36PM (#41029396)
Very much a false equivalence to the point that it sounds like a bad faith argument. There's a massive difference between contingency planning for a hypothetical versus actively planning for something that's is intended to be agenda item #1.

The first clue to differentiating a contingency from an active plan is resource allocation. Russia moved about 80,000 troops to the Ukrainian border a full 13 months before the invasion. That's over 50% of the force that would eventually enter Ukraine in February 2022 and also about 25% to 35% of Russia's entire non-conscript military force.

Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by LtWorf on Monday July 22, 2024 @09:34AM (#41034189)
Are you skipping the part where NATO was arming and having people in ukraine in the same period?
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by mensetmanusman on Monday July 22, 2024 @10:44AM (#41035016)
It’s not just Kremlin narrative, a large wing of the foreign policy establishment also recognized the risk in published articles as far back as the mid 90s.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by yakshaving_jgt on Sunday July 21, 2024 @07:15PM (#41029225)
The war is not about NATO.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by adamnemecek on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:26PM (#41028813)
That's what Ukraine wants though.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by LtWorf on Monday July 22, 2024 @12:43AM (#41030985)
And the parties who don't want it are now illegal so… 100% of the parties want it.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by adamnemecek on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @07:02PM (#41051924)
Did they have ties to Russia?
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by rsynnott on Sunday July 21, 2024 @06:41PM (#41028945)
Ah, appeasement? Yeah, that famously always works.
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by tmnvix on Sunday July 21, 2024 @08:06PM (#41029605)
Worked for resolving the Cuban missile crisis (agreeing to remove missiles from Turkey).
Re:Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate by bojan on Monday July 22, 2024 @04:56AM (#41032188)
But why? That would be a concession to a criminal dictator, and, historically, that _never_ works.

Putin would have just thought up another "reason" to invade in a year or two.