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Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by rayiner on Saturday July 20, 2024 @10:20PM (#41021891)
I oppose immigration as an immigrant myself. America is the way it is because of the culture of the particular groups that founded it. My parents have lived here for 35 years, and they’ll never have the mentality that made America what it is today.

Assimilation at the superficial level happens quickly. But deep culture—things like social trust or views on the relationship between people and government, are sticky: https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=35594. The peak of continental European immigration to the U.S. was more than a century ago, but there is still a significant correlation on cultural attitudes between European countries and Americans with ancestry from those countries: https://cis.org/Richwine/Still-More-Evidence-Cultural-Persis...

Having the smartest people isn’t what makes a country great—which is why the super smart Indians and Chinese come to America instead of making their home countries rich.

Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by duped on Saturday July 20, 2024 @11:10PM (#41022078)
I don't think the difference is European in nature, I think that immigrants 100 years ago have a totally different experience than today.

I can only speak to my family's history and that I saw growing up, but my great-grandfather was an immigrant from a Slavic region (to be technical, Poland didn't exist yet, but he was a Catholic who spoke Polish).

To make a long story short, none of his kids ever spoke Polish. That wasn't familial pressure, but the physical and emotional abuse inflicted on children in schools to beat the slav out of them if they acted or sounded "fresh off the boat" - to the point where four generations later, all of us know that phrase because it's been said to us one way or another.

Contrast this with the most recent wave of Polish immigration to the same neighborhoods almost 80 years later. These are kids I grew up with. They had Polish clubs in school, they went to "Polish school," they spoke the language fluently and publicly, and to a certain degree that was celebrated by the rest of the community. The external pressure not to be Polish is essentially gone.

I don't have a grand point here, it's just something I think about a lot in these debates. I learned what the experience of my ancestors was, and saw something of what happened to my peers, and the only difference was 100 years. It seems to me the difference between what we think of as assimilation is really how likely a community is to join the melting pot depending on the internal or external pressures on that community.

Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by e40 on Saturday July 20, 2024 @10:55PM (#41022037)
A lot of words but they really don’t explain why you are against immigration.
Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by rayiner on Sunday July 21, 2024 @10:02AM (#41025185)
To;dr — regression to the mean.
Re:10% of Cubans have left Cuba in the last year by kwere on Sunday July 21, 2024 @12:14PM (#41026085)
Yeah, fast changing demographics means fast changing values, expecially if imported values. Maybe the new country will be a "better" one than what it was, but i wouldnt trust people that come in mass from failing or disfunctional societies to build some awesome society, as i wouldnt trust the government/society ability to social engineer people into model citizen in few decades. it is a process that takes often generations.

Usa got lucky bcs it integrated mostly european of "similar" cultural values of its anglo base in a pre industrial society, and later integrated the brightest from around the world in a knowledge economy. Even Latinos illegals have familiriaty with US values.