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Re:Instrumenting Python GIL with eBPF by pKasdhB on Saturday July 20, 2024 @05:00AM (#41015126)
Because in the --disable-gil build data structures like ref-counting, dicts, freelists, etc. are locked, even when there is only a single thread.

This is the reason why previous attempts were rejected. But those attempts came from single individuals and not from a photo sharing website.

This matters if --disable-gil becomes the default in the future and is forced on everyone.

Re:Instrumenting Python GIL with eBPF by nemetroid on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:59AM (#41015835)
That cannot be the reason for a 30-50% slowdown. Uncontested locks are very fast.
Re:Instrumenting Python GIL with eBPF by krhsG on Saturday July 20, 2024 @08:33AM (#41016017)
They may be fast in C++, but not in the context of CPython. Here are the dirty details. Note that fine-grained locking has also been tried before:

https://dabeaz.blogspot.com/2011/08/inside-look-at-gil-remov...

Re:Instrumenting Python GIL with eBPF by nemetroid on Saturday July 20, 2024 @09:48AM (#41016478)
Thanks for the link, that's an interesting read. Actually the referenced PyMutex is a good old pthread_mutex_t, the same you'd use in C or C++. But I shouldn't have written so surely. Although uncontested locks are very fast, if the loop is tight enough, adding locks will be significant.

However, PEP 703 specifically points out that performance-critical container operations (__getitem__/iteration) avoid locking, so I'm still highly skeptical that those locks are the cause of the 30-50%.

https://peps.python.org/pep-0703/#optimistically-avoiding-lo...

Re:Instrumenting Python GIL with eBPF by tialaramex on Saturday July 20, 2024 @11:05AM (#41016980)
The pthread_mutex_t is focused on compatibility at any cost. So while you're right that the C++ stdlib chooses this too, it's not actually a good choice for performance.

But I think you're right be sceptical that somehow this is to blame for the Python perf leak.

Re:Instrumenting Python GIL with eBPF by tialaramex on Saturday July 20, 2024 @02:19PM (#41018480)
One of the things this spends some time on that was already obsolete in 2011 is using a pool of locks. In 1994 locks are a limited OS resource, Python can't afford to sprinkle millions of them in the codebase. But long before 2011 Linux had the futex, so locks only need to be aligned 32-bit integers. In 2012 Windows gets a similar feature but it can do bytes instead of 32-bit integers if you want.

If a Linux process wants a million locks that's fine, that's just 4MB of RAM now.