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Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by temac on Friday July 19, 2024 @02:26PM (#41009508)
"It blows my mind that a kernel driver with the level of proliferation in industry could make it out the door apparently without even the most basic level of qualification."

It was my understanding that MS now sign 3rd party kernel mode code, with quality requirements. In which case why did they fail to prevent this?

Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by einpoklum on Friday July 19, 2024 @02:47PM (#41009738)
> In which case why did they fail to prevent this?

"Oh, crowdstrike? Yeah, yeah, here's that Winodws kernel code signing key you paid for."

Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by whydoyoucare on Friday July 19, 2024 @04:21PM (#41010700)
You can pay for it and sign a file full of null characters. Signing has nothing to do with quality from what I understand.
Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by einpoklum on Friday July 19, 2024 @05:06PM (#41011234)
"Yours sincerely,

Crowdstrike

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PS - If you get hit by some massive crash, we refer you to our company's name. What were you expecting?"

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Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by cardamomo on Friday July 19, 2024 @05:10PM (#41011289)
Please explain this comment. How is the Crowdstrike incident related to the Key Bridge collision?
Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by Copy8314 on Friday July 19, 2024 @07:20PM (#41012467)
I think he's implying there was some sort of conspiracy by foreign actors.
Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by YZF on Friday July 19, 2024 @11:20PM (#41013775)
Drivers have had to be signed forever and pass pretty rigorous test suites and static analysis.

The problem here is obviously this other file the driver sucks in. Just because the driver didn't crash for Microsoft in their lab doesn't mean a different file can't crash it...

Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by rlanday on Saturday July 20, 2024 @04:19AM (#41014975)
There’s a design problem here if the driver can’t be self-contained in such a way that it’s possible to roll back the kernel to a known good state.
Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by Rinzler89 on Saturday July 20, 2024 @04:32AM (#41015026)
How so? Preventing roll-backs on software updates is a "security feature" in most cases for better and for worse. Yeah, it would be convenient for tinkerers or in rare events such as these, but would be a security issue in the 99,9..99% of the time for enterprise users where security is the main concern.
Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by Demonoculus on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:21AM (#41015676)
I don't really understand this, many Linux distributions like Universal Blue advertise rollbacks as a feature. How is preventing a roll-back a "security feature"?
Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by sltkr on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:47AM (#41015776)
Imagine a driver has an exploitable vulnerability that is fixed in an update. If an attacker can force a rollback to the vulnerable older version, then the system is still vulnerable. Disallowing the rollback fixes this.
Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by Demonoculus on Sunday July 21, 2024 @12:36AM (#41022402)
ohh
Re:Windows Bluescreen and Boot Loops (update: caused by a Cr... by fransje26 on Saturday July 20, 2024 @07:23AM (#41015685)
> Just because the driver didn't crash for Microsoft in their lab doesn't mean a different file can't crash it...

    "What are you complaining about? It works on my machine."™