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Re:XLSTMTime: Long-Term Time Series Forecasting with xLSTM by greatpostman on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @02:29PM (#40979019)
The best deep learning time series models are closed source inside hedge funds.
Re:XLSTMTime: Long-Term Time Series Forecasting with xLSTM by 3abiton on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @03:12PM (#40979362)
I think hedge funds, at least the advanced once, definitely don't use time series modelling anymore. That's quit outdated nowadays.
Re:XLSTMTime: Long-Term Time Series Forecasting with xLSTM by max_ on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @03:22PM (#40979449)
What do you suspect they are using?
Re:XLSTMTime: Long-Term Time Series Forecasting with xLSTM by meowkit on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @04:06PM (#40979831)
They pull data from all kinds of things now.

For example, satellite imagery of trucking activity correlated to specific companies or industries.

Its all signal processing at some level, but directly modeling the time series of price or other asset metrics doesn’t have the alpha it may have had decades ago.

Re:XLSTMTime: Long-Term Time Series Forecasting with xLSTM by greatpostman on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @05:34PM (#40980523)
Alternative data is passed into time series models. They are features.

You don’t know as much about this as you think

Re:XLSTMTime: Long-Term Time Series Forecasting with xLSTM by myhf on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @05:53PM (#40980671)
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Re:XLSTMTime: Long-Term Time Series Forecasting with xLSTM by nextos on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @06:37PM (#40980965)
Some funds that tried to recruit me were really interested in classical generative models (ARMA, GARCH, HMMs with heavy-tailed emissions, etc.) extended with deep components to make them more flexible. Pyro and Kevin Murphy's ProbML vol II are a good starting point to learn more about these topics.

The key is to understand that in some of these problems, data is relatively scarce, and it is really important to quantify uncertainty.

Re:XLSTMTime: Long-Term Time Series Forecasting with xLSTM by lopatin on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @10:06PM (#40991906)
I know next to nothing about this. How do people make use of forecasts that don't provide an uncertainty? It seems like that's the most important part. Why hasn't bayseyan statistics taken over completely?
Re:XLSTMTime: Long-Term Time Series Forecasting with xLSTM by nextos on Thursday July 18, 2024 @12:44PM (#40997409)
Bayesian inference is costly and adds a significant amount of complexity to your workflow. But yes, I agree, the way uncertainty is handled is often sloppy.

Maximum likelihood estimates are very frequently atypical points in the posterior distribution. It is unsettling to hear people are using this and not computing the entire posterior.

Re:XLSTMTime: Long-Term Time Series Forecasting with xLSTM by rjurney on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @05:32PM (#40980515)
There are many ways of approaching quantitative trading and many people do employ time series analysis, especially for high frequency trading.
Re:XLSTMTime: Long-Term Time Series Forecasting with xLSTM by fermisea on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @06:07PM (#40980788)
Most of the hard work is actually feature construction rather than monolithic models. And afaik gradient boosting still rules the world
Re:XLSTMTime: Long-Term Time Series Forecasting with xLSTM by energy123 on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @10:29PM (#40982062)
There is no such thing as a generally best model due to the no free lunch theorem. What works in hedge funds will be bad in other areas that need less or different inductive biases due to having more or less data and different data.