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Re:Human history in the long run: It was mostly pretty bad by kelseyfrog on Monday July 15, 2024 @11:05PM (#40973374)
There is a certain legitimacy that comes with reading a work one wants to criticize, no?
Re:Human history in the long run: It was mostly pretty bad by racional on Monday July 15, 2024 @11:17PM (#40973423)
But that wasn't what you said.
Re:Human history in the long run: It was mostly pretty bad by kelseyfrog on Monday July 15, 2024 @11:36PM (#40973494)
Sorry, but this has a certain, "I'm going to disagree with everything you say"-vibe which then devolves into not really making a point
Re:Human history in the long run: It was mostly pretty bad by racional on Monday July 15, 2024 @11:44PM (#40973516)
You were starting to get a bit slippery there with that attempted rewording of that rather peculiar claim you made.

That was my point, stated much more clearly this time.

Re:Human history in the long run: It was mostly pretty bad by kelseyfrog on Monday July 15, 2024 @11:48PM (#40973530)
I'm really getting a sense that you're trying to catch me in some sort of contradiction. Why don't you get curious instead? That's the sort of community we're trying to create.
Re:Human history in the long run: It was mostly pretty bad by racional on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @12:34AM (#40973674)
Okay, let's try curiosity then:

"Didya really mean to say that there's literally no one walking this Earth with meaningful criticisms of Marx who has in fact also read what he's written? "Without being hyperbolic", no less?" 'Cause it sounds like an awfully weird and authoritarian thing to say."

Inquiring minds want to know.

Re:Human history in the long run: It was mostly pretty bad by kelseyfrog on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @01:04AM (#40973769)
I didn't say walking the earth, I said that I've encountered. Can you please not reword what I've written and then dismiss it. It's not showing a good faith effort.

I find it hard to believe you're more of an authority over who've I've encounter than I am.

It's a really good example of the point I'm trying to make. Which is folks who dismiss Marx tend to conjure a fantasy and then dismiss that fantasy and then claim victory. Just take what I write at face value. I'm not trying to trick you or anything.

Re:Human history in the long run: It was mostly pretty bad by racional on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @06:50AM (#40975298)
Folks who dismiss Marx tend to conjure a fantasy and then dismiss that fantasy and then claim victory.

That's what you're saying now; initially you said something much stronger.

You keep trying to pivot away from that initial (and rather untenable) formulation, for some reason.