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Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by nickpp on Monday July 15, 2024 @04:51AM (#40966231)
> capital gains tax should be much higher than income tax

Then you would in effect discourage investing. Investing, which creates jobs and promotes innovation. Is as simple as that.

Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by immibis on Monday July 15, 2024 @05:52AM (#40966466)
[citation needed]

Consider the opposite extreme, where the government subsidizes investments to 100x what they are actually worth. Would this create more jobs and innovation, or merely "bullshit investments"?

If a subsidy wouldn't create jobs and innovation, a tax wouldn't take them away.

There is also the likely possibility that the same investments would be made, but valued lower.

Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by nec4b on Monday July 15, 2024 @06:53AM (#40966716)
>>[citation needed]

Any economics text book.

Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by immibis on Monday July 15, 2024 @02:53PM (#40970436)
Go on. Which economics text book would tell me that if the government incentivized investments to 100x their actual value, the resulting investments wouldn't be bullshit?
Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by nec4b on Monday July 15, 2024 @05:07PM (#40971465)
Any economic textbook will tell you increasing taxes on capital, decreases investments. No need to make up silly analogies which are false equivalences.
Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by immibis on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @07:56AM (#40975690)
Then decreasing taxes on capital increases investments. Decreasing them all the way to negative ten thousand percent would increase investments a lot. Is that a good thing?
Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by nec4b on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @09:38AM (#40976513)
You really aren't making an argument you think you are. If you are truly interested about macroeconomics there are plenty of good books out there from many different ideological viewpoints. Most of them explain what you are trying so vehemently disapprove with weird analogies.

>> Decreasing them all the way to negative ten thousand percent would increase investments a lot.

A physicist would say you have just invented perpetuum mobile.

>> Is that a good thing?

Does it matter if what you suggest is impossible?

Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by immibis on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @05:24AM (#40983931)
Can you answer the question? No, you can't.
Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by nec4b on Wednesday July 17, 2024 @02:45PM (#40989008)
The government can't incentivize investments up to 100x times or make negative 1000% taxes on investments. I thought my reference to perpetuum mobile made that clear.
Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by immibis on Thursday July 18, 2024 @10:26AM (#40995872)
Of course the government can.
Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by nec4b on Friday July 19, 2024 @02:47AM (#41002598)
No, they really can't.
Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by danaris on Monday July 15, 2024 @09:43AM (#40967835)
Then let's do something to encourage actually investing—putting money into a company, not into the stock market.

If I buy shares of, say, APPL today, Apple Inc. doesn't actually get that money. The person who owned those shares before does. Even if I bought up $2B worth of shares, Apple would see none of that money. It is not actually invested in the company in any way.

If you want to encourage investing, then you need to find a way to advantage shares being sold directly by the company. (And, frankly, strongly discourage stock buybacks, because that's literally the opposite of investing, and generally only benefits the wealthiest shareholders.)

Re:Just Be Rich (2021) by roncesvalles on Tuesday July 16, 2024 @03:27AM (#40974319)
I wish there were a way to differentiate capital gains arising from being a passive owner vs capital gains arising from being an active owner.

If your only contribution to a company is that you've funded it, I really don't think you should enjoy the same tax benefits as an entrepreneur who put their blood and sweat into it.

Let's define it like this - if working for a company is your primary occupation, you can enjoy the lower capital gains tax from its success. This includes founders and employees with equity. For everyone else it's income tax, because they've done little else than speculate, and, well, gambling wins count as personal income.