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Re:Jelly Star – The Smallest Android 13 Smartphone by cookiengineer on Sunday July 14, 2024 @02:09AM (#40959192)
For me personally, I learned to avoid every smartphone vendor that:

1) doesn't share the sources of their Android OEM images online

2) isn't compatible with LineageOS.

3) doesn't have replaceable batteries.

If either of those apply, it's just a waste of money that can be avoided, regardless of build quality. In the case of the Jelly devices, they have a replaceable battery, but it's still just software waste.

Usually I ended up buying devices that fit my description from ebay in used condition so it's also kinda better for the environment because I am breathing life into a device that would've been electronic waste otherwise.

Re:Jelly Star – The Smallest Android 13 Smartphone by t0bia_s on Sunday July 14, 2024 @03:04AM (#40959346)
4) Is not bigger than 72mm W.

What you ended up with?

Re:Jelly Star – The Smallest Android 13 Smartphone by cookiengineer on Sunday July 14, 2024 @07:19AM (#40960252)
Honestly, some Sony XZ and Xiaomi Redmi devices were kinda nice in the past because even when they had a sealed battery they were still replaceable without super expensive heat plates.

Ethically I'd probably recommend a Fairphone 2/3/3+ in used condition, though they are somewhat clumsy. Ironically it's somewhat more private because the fingerprinting sensor never works in all of these models :D

In theory the Pixel 3+ devices would be amazing, but their resale value is just way too high for my cheap pockets. I set myself a limit of max 200 bucks for a used device, for both used laptops and smartphones and I never buy new hardware.

I'd avoid MediaTek chipset devices, because they have a known RootKit that can be easily exploited. Their CPUs have an undocumented root mode, and there's some apps and SDKs available that got leaked a while back.

My previous devices are now kind of ARM homeservers, because they either run ArchLinuxARM or PostmarketOS [1] on them, which is kinda nice and gives me a little satisfaction when I see that I can still use them for a nice tinkering purpose even without a battery inside.

One phone even runs my local mesh router with external USB Wi-Fi adapters, off-the-grid and solar charged. The display is used for the Web UI to manage things, which is also kinda nice. It's basically a fullscreen WebKit in kiosk mode.

[1] https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices

Re:Jelly Star – The Smallest Android 13 Smartphone by t0bia_s on Sunday July 14, 2024 @10:43AM (#40961245)
Samsung Galaxy S line fits as well.
Re:Jelly Star – The Smallest Android 13 Smartphone by exe34 on Sunday July 14, 2024 @05:46AM (#40959920)
> isn't compatible with LineageOS

I gave up on rugged phones for this, I got a pixel 5 and a rhinoshield, which has survived over a year so far, although I don't just throw it around like I could with the bv7000. that phone was the smartphone equivalent of an old Nokia 3310.

Re:Jelly Star – The Smallest Android 13 Smartphone by cookiengineer on Sunday July 14, 2024 @07:23AM (#40960264)
Same here, same here.

All Blackview and CAT models were insanely bad when it comes to their software, and I couldn't get them to run any self-built ROM and neither any GSI image so I gave up on my dream of an open rugged phone, too :(

In the BV case I even tried using the MediaTek root-mode exploit, but didn't have success booting any compiled kernel because lots of drivers are messy in their firmware.

Re:Jelly Star – The Smallest Android 13 Smartphone by exe34 on Sunday July 14, 2024 @03:44PM (#40962775)
i miss the bv, if you drop it, you worry about your foot and the pavement.
Re:Jelly Star – The Smallest Android 13 Smartphone by wkat4242 on Monday July 15, 2024 @05:27AM (#40966372)
Yeah and the company behind CAT phones (bullitt) is now bankrupt so they will no longer provide any support.
Re:Jelly Star – The Smallest Android 13 Smartphone by sadboi31 on Monday July 15, 2024 @10:05AM (#40968013)
The Moto Z2 Force is great but it does seem as if it is slowly losing some support. I've dropped mine from a bike going 30+mph multiple times and have dropped it on the concrete (no case) more times than I can count.