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Re:CISA broke into a US federal agency, and no one noticed f... by throwway120385 on Friday July 12, 2024 @04:16PM (#40949004)
The US is really really big. People way underestimate how huge it is in terms of land area. You could fit Europe inside the US. So the reason Germany or France underspend the US has more to do with the area they have to cover and the number of people they have in their borders.
Re:CISA broke into a US federal agency, and no one noticed f... by dmix on Friday July 12, 2024 @04:30PM (#40949124)
> even in per capita statistics
Re:CISA broke into a US federal agency, and no one noticed f... by tossandthrow on Friday July 12, 2024 @04:35PM (#40949162)
The argument is density. Things tend to be cheaper per capita, when density is high.

I don't buy it thought. I think the reason why the spend is less in Europe is due to higher salary equality - good people take job in government because the salary is only 50% higher in private sector (for tech, even less for other areas).

Re:CISA broke into a US federal agency, and no one noticed f... by vidarh on Friday July 12, 2024 @05:18PM (#40949539)
There are only a couple of US states less dense than e.g. Norway, and even in those states the vast majority of the population live in small, higher density areas.

The areas where the vast majority of Americans actually live are fairly high density.

Some cost might come down to density, but not much.

Re:CISA broke into a US federal agency, and no one noticed f... by tossandthrow on Friday July 12, 2024 @05:26PM (#40949594)
Agreed, only trying to make the comment justice - not agreeing.

Arguable, Denmark has a super low density also if you count in Greenland.

As also written, I don't buy that argument. I think the core is inequality.

Re:CISA broke into a US federal agency, and no one noticed f... by coldtea on Friday July 12, 2024 @06:17PM (#40949965)
>You could fit Europe inside the US.

If we're considering contiguous US, then no.

Europe is 3.93 million square miles.

Contiguous US is 3.15 million square miles.

Re:CISA broke into a US federal agency, and no one noticed f... by saalweachter on Friday July 12, 2024 @06:31PM (#40950065)
I'm guessing the poster was thinking of "Europe" as more like "the EU" or "Europe minus Russia"; 1.1 million of Russia's 6.6 million square miles are part of Europe's 3.93; take it away, and "Europe" drops to more like 2.8 million square miles, a smidge less than the contiguous US.
Re:CISA broke into a US federal agency, and no one noticed f... by Armisael16 on Saturday July 13, 2024 @12:12AM (#40951710)
It seems disingenuous to not include the largest state in that land area calculation. Alaska still isn’t quite enough to push the US up, but it’s good for another 20%-ish increase in land area over the contiguous number.
Re:CISA broke into a US federal agency, and no one noticed f... by coldtea on Saturday July 13, 2024 @08:40AM (#40953754)
>Why would you ignore the largest state in that land area calculation?

As a non-contiguous later addition, with a small population, where statistically nobody lives there per sq mile, and is not pertinent to the discussion of population density as related to infrastructure problems?

Except in what's holding US bureucratic efficiency down (what we were discussing), and requires spending inflated federal budgets for little returns, Alaska is a big factor relative to its size...