Re:Defeated by A.I., A Legend in the Board Game Go Warns: Ge...
by nybsjytm on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @03:35PM
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> A.I. has helped chatbots carry on conversations almost indistinguishable from human interaction. It has solved problems that have confounded scientists for decades like predicting protein shapes. And it has blurred the lines of creativity: writing music, producing art and generating videos.
Why was this article written now?? This is the only paragraph that substantially marks it as post-2016. For such a key paragraph, I think it's rather too sloppy: eg just one more example of reporters/DeepMind transforming AlphaFold's useful two-thirds accuracy rate into the culminating solution of an age-old problem.
Re:Defeated by A.I., A Legend in the Board Game Go Warns: Ge...
by joshstrange on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @03:55PM
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What a bad article. AI beat you at a _game_ it's not the end of the world yet he acts like it is and it's his duty to warn people of the dangers of AI. Also:
> “People used to be in awe of creativity, originality and innovation,” he said. “But since A.I. came, a lot of that has disappeared.”
Re:Defeated by A.I., A Legend in the Board Game Go Warns: Ge...
by htrp on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @04:35PM
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From the article:
>“Losing to A.I., in a sense, meant my entire world was collapsing,” he said in a recent interview with The New York Times.
>Mr. Lee had a hard time accepting the defeat. What he regarded as an art form, an extension of a player’s own personality and style, was now cast aside for an algorithm’s ruthless efficiency.
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He also retired 3 years later and has had some time to reflect on the situation.
For people whose sole source of identity is their job/profession, Lee Saedol is a cautionary tale.
What used to take a dedicated research team and millions of dollars of compute (to play professional go), can now be done with a sub $1 gpt4 call (to do something like make strategy slides).
Re:Defeated by A.I., A Legend in the Board Game Go Warns: Ge...
by mathsmath on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @05:43PM
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> What used to take a dedicated research team and millions of dollars of compute (to play professional go), can now be done with a sub $1 gpt4 call (to do something like make strategy slides).
Is that an accurate statement, though? AFAIK, the Go-AI was hyper-specific to Go. I don’t think any LLM would approach the level of skill exhibited by those specialized AIs (much less provide valid moves for an entire game in my experience).
Re:Defeated by A.I., A Legend in the Board Game Go Warns: Ge...
by unnouinceput on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @05:17PM
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Quote: “People used to be in awe of creativity, originality and innovation,” he said. “But since A.I. came, a lot of that has disappeared.”
No, it hasn't. If anything AI, as it currently stands, made sure that the "bottom creativity" is gone. For example I am simply anti-talent at drawing. For me a street artist that does caricatures is creativity. Looking closer you see that the artist is actually very limited in his techniques and uses but just a few easy tricks - this was explained to me by a friend who's an artist, a true one, with shows and galleries. So now AI made sure "that!" creativity was erased and is at fingertips for everybody. I see that as a good sign, not a bad one. True creativity is still the panache of humans - I mean AI can create masterpieces like GRR Martin? (if only the old sob would move his rear to finish them, that's it).
Why was this article written now?? This is the only paragraph that substantially marks it as post-2016. For such a key paragraph, I think it's rather too sloppy: eg just one more example of reporters/DeepMind transforming AlphaFold's useful two-thirds accuracy rate into the culminating solution of an age-old problem.
> “People used to be in awe of creativity, originality and innovation,” he said. “But since A.I. came, a lot of that has disappeared.”
Bullshit. Just complete bullshit.
>“Losing to A.I., in a sense, meant my entire world was collapsing,” he said in a recent interview with The New York Times.
>Mr. Lee had a hard time accepting the defeat. What he regarded as an art form, an extension of a player’s own personality and style, was now cast aside for an algorithm’s ruthless efficiency. --------
He also retired 3 years later and has had some time to reflect on the situation.
For people whose sole source of identity is their job/profession, Lee Saedol is a cautionary tale.
What used to take a dedicated research team and millions of dollars of compute (to play professional go), can now be done with a sub $1 gpt4 call (to do something like make strategy slides).
Is that an accurate statement, though? AFAIK, the Go-AI was hyper-specific to Go. I don’t think any LLM would approach the level of skill exhibited by those specialized AIs (much less provide valid moves for an entire game in my experience).
No, it hasn't. If anything AI, as it currently stands, made sure that the "bottom creativity" is gone. For example I am simply anti-talent at drawing. For me a street artist that does caricatures is creativity. Looking closer you see that the artist is actually very limited in his techniques and uses but just a few easy tricks - this was explained to me by a friend who's an artist, a true one, with shows and galleries. So now AI made sure "that!" creativity was erased and is at fingertips for everybody. I see that as a good sign, not a bad one. True creativity is still the panache of humans - I mean AI can create masterpieces like GRR Martin? (if only the old sob would move his rear to finish them, that's it).
What is true creativity? It is whatever creativity AI hasn't conquered. Yet.