Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years

Re:Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years by riehwvfbk on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @01:21PM (#40929156)

There is a great book (written by a female engineer, Tanya Riley) called "The Staff Engineer's Path". I've learned a lot from the book, but one part of Tanya's experience that I could not relate to was having mentors who would encourage me and provide "you can do this" kind of pep talks. For a male engineer the usual experience is the opposite: we are expected to be competitive, and if we display any doubts then the only advice we'll get is "are you sure you want this promotion enough?" and "are you cut out for this?"

It appears to be much easier to advance in one's career as a self-doubting woman than a self-doubting man. This is probably because women are expected to have a high degree of self doubt and there is no assumption that they are defective if they admit to it.

And management is absolutely more prestigious and better compensated than IC work, despite what some may claim.

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Re:Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years by Aperocky on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @01:49PM (#40929480)

Maybe better compensated, but not sure about more prestigious.

I have no interest seeing the day to day of that job.

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Re:Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years by riehwvfbk on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @07:21PM (#40932438)

Organizing apes to do things is always more prestigious than a single ape doing the work. The organizer ape gets to claim that they did the work of the group.

Think about a plaque on a bridge. Who does it say built the bridge? The guy who never touched a shovel after the ground breaking ceremony.

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Re:Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years by Aperocky on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @09:37PM (#40933067)

You're mistaking the chief engineer/funder (likeliest candidate on that plaque) with the management of the construction company/contractors.

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Re:Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years by jimbokun on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @02:01PM (#40929603)

> This is probably because women are expected to have a high degree of self doubt and there is no assumption that they are defective if they admit to it.

A simpler explanation is that there is a perceived need to increase the number of women in management positions.

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Re:Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years by riehwvfbk on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @07:17PM (#40932410)

That would imply that women aren't deserving of the promotion, and that aggressive posturing is somehow a requirement for the job (and women get a free pass).

However, if the book is any indication, Tanya is a great staff engineer, probably among the best of any gender.

This of course begs the question: could it be that discriminating against men who don't display the stereotypical behaviors is detrimental to diversity? And increasing the number of women may actually help here: they may be able to empathize with people who don't fit the traditional mold.

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Re:Girls in Tech closes its doors after 17 years by jimbokun on Thursday July 11, 2024 @08:31AM (#40935970)

Maybe this, maybe that, no data.

It’s not clear that people incapable of being assertive or direct would make naturally more effective managers.

And assuming that women drawn to management positions will be more empathetic to the neuro diverse is a gigantic reach. I have no idea why that would be the case.

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