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Re:Europe's new Ariane 6 rocket powers into space by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @06:36AM (#40925531)
> what happens when your peer denies your launches on their platform

Strongly agree—Europe needs an indigenous launch option. Ariane 6 is not it, and I’m sceptical ArianeSpace can ever deliver it.

Re:Europe's new Ariane 6 rocket powers into space by ddalex on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @11:39AM (#40928148)
What do you mean, can deliver it? This article is specifically about the maiden flight of Ariane 6, which was successful. It's already delivered.
Re:Europe's new Ariane 6 rocket powers into space by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @12:15PM (#40928474)
> can deliver it? This article is specifically about the maiden flight of Ariane 6, which was successful. It's already delivered.

It's not commercially viable. That means it has no room to organically drive economies of scale and thus learning curves, which has downstream effects on evertyhing from recruiting to supplier negotiations. Europe has a launch vehicile. It does not have a platform. Virtually everything in Ariane 6 will have to be thrown out to be relevant in a modern, reusable design.

Put another way, SLS didn't prepare Boeing and Lockheed Martin one iota for the modern launch industry. If anything, it drove ambitious people away from them.

Re:Europe's new Ariane 6 rocket powers into space by ddalex on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @12:25PM (#40928593)
There are no economies of scale required. This is not a commercial venture, and it's not required to be commercially viable. This is a strategic and political program, and as a jobs program it is wonderfully executed - the more to throw away, the more jobs will be required for the next iteration.
Re:Europe's new Ariane 6 rocket powers into space by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @01:24PM (#40929178)
> is a strategic and political program, and as a jobs program

Jobs, yes, strategic, no. Being able to put ten birds up in a year means an adversary can blind your space capabilities, if we’re taking the argument to absurd ends.

We Americans would be defensive about ULA, probably, if it weren’t for SpaceX. The problem is the EU has no plan B. If SpaceX cuts them off, Ariana or not, they’re crippled as a spacefaring enterprise.

Re:Europe's new Ariane 6 rocket powers into space by ddalex on Thursday July 11, 2024 @07:15AM (#40935437)
You're still thinking about capitalisation and the scalability of space. EU doesn't think that's a viable expansion route - already expressed my view that EU thinks 10 launches a year is more then enough to cover all bases.