Boeing to plead guilty to criminal fraud charge stemming from 737 MAX crashes

Re:Boeing to plead guilty to criminal fraud charge stemming ... by robertlagrant on Monday July 08, 2024 @07:22AM (#40904397)

> The power of having a bank account, of moving funds around, of signing contracts, etc.

I don't think companies can sign contracts. What is the power of having a bank account and moving funds around? It's still people deciding to do this, and doing it, just under a group name. What power?

> Something that doesn't exist, a concept, enjoy many things a concrete human can do, but won't pay nearly the same consequences

People are still doing it. You seem to have totally mis-framed this. If you say "people can get away with doing things inside a company" you'd have a point, perhaps, but you're talking as though companies are sentient.

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Re:Boeing to plead guilty to criminal fraud charge stemming ... by actionfromafar on Monday July 08, 2024 @09:27AM (#40905227)

It doesn't matter if they are sentient or not, does it? Maybe in the future they will be or act as if they were, but the result will be the same.

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Re:Boeing to plead guilty to criminal fraud charge stemming ... by robertlagrant on Monday July 08, 2024 @09:32AM (#40905269)

Of course it matters. What does it meant to punish something that isn't sentient? It's like bemoaning the fact that you can't punish the car that was driven into someone.

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Re:Boeing to plead guilty to criminal fraud charge stemming ... by actionfromafar on Monday July 08, 2024 @09:52AM (#40905451)

Depends on if you care about outcome or morality. Already now we use terms like punishment, reward and adverserial competition between neural networks.

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Re:Boeing to plead guilty to criminal fraud charge stemming ... by robertlagrant on Monday July 08, 2024 @10:54AM (#40905980)

We do have those terms. The way they are used is not relevant here.

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Re:Boeing to plead guilty to criminal fraud charge stemming ... by actionfromafar on Monday July 08, 2024 @12:57PM (#40907091)

If the entity (be it a corporation or AGI-driven corporation) learns from the punishment (or its peers learn by observation) it doesn't matter if the entity is sentient, the outcome is less of the unwanted behaviour. I didn't mean anything more complicated than that.

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Re:Boeing to plead guilty to criminal fraud charge stemming ... by robertlagrant on Monday July 08, 2024 @03:18PM (#40908520)

The corporation cannot learn. Why anthropomorphise when you can actually think about the real problem: how to incentivise the people who own and direct companies to behave well.

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