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Re:Fuelling the Tour de France: Secrets of the team kitchens by bluGill on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @07:36PM (#40871087)
What I want as a non racer is different from what racers want so I prefer a cheaper steel fram, as the gains from an expensive one won't be worth it.

of course the above is a guess, if someone makes such a frame I may try it and decide it is worth it.

Re:Fuelling the Tour de France: Secrets of the team kitchens by pandaman on Wednesday July 03, 2024 @09:10PM (#40871531)
Non-racers appreciate light and comfortable bikes too (if anything it's much easier to load a 20 pounds bike on a car/bus rack than a 30 pounds one), this is why carbon is now even in the midrange consumer segment. And with the tubeless tires even on the road bikes nowadays, the magical suspension properties of a steel frame are hardly noticeable over the effect of lower pressure in the tire. So I don't think steel frames are ever coming back.