Here's the first of a three-part interview with Waldrop, the author of The Dream Machine[1] and semi-official Licklider biographer of sorts:

<https://luminary.fm/episode/mitch-waldrop-on-the-dream-machi...>

1. Not to be confused with Ted Nelson's titled work Dream Machines, one half of the pair Computer Lib/Dream Machines that described Project Xanadu and articulated a vision about computer user freedom that predates Stallman and the free software movement, complete with manifesto.