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Re:The Silent Majority: Why Visual Basic 6 Still Thrives by danso on Friday June 08, 2012 @03:13PM (#4085736)
No, it can be evidence of its entrenchment. That is a "quality" to be sure, but not one necessarily tied to the concept of quality.
Re:The Silent Majority: Why Visual Basic 6 Still Thrives by evincarofautumn on Friday June 08, 2012 @03:45PM (#4085855)
I’m not sure what you mean. First, do you define linguistic success using anything other than entrenchment? We say a (natural) language is “dead” when no one speaks it anymore. Second, I was saying that the quality (that is, power) of a language is not the only factor in its success.
Re:The Silent Majority: Why Visual Basic 6 Still Thrives by wonderzombie on Friday June 08, 2012 @03:55PM (#4085898)
Setting aside the fact that I think entrenchment is a reasonable definition of success, I imagine most hackers don't judge a technology's success based solely on that metric.

As a dumb example, if a language fails at its stated goals, then that's not successful. Another dumb example might be a language which tries to incorporate FP patterns but implements lambda syntax or semantics quite poorly.

Re:The Silent Majority: Why Visual Basic 6 Still Thrives by evincarofautumn on Friday June 08, 2012 @05:21PM (#4086222)
That’s true. But most languages fail at their stated goals to a certain extent, usually by finding an unanticipated niche in which they thrive. What a language is good for is often something you discover, not something you design.
Re:The Silent Majority: Why Visual Basic 6 Still Thrives by danso on Friday June 08, 2012 @04:45PM (#4086087)
What I mean is that I'm terrible at reading things on Friday afternoon. We're not in disagreement (success != quality) and I'm being pedantic :)