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Re:In Math You Have to Remember, In Other Subjects You Can T... by yummyfajitas on Friday June 08, 2012 @01:55PM (#4085393)
The relevant proofs are easily accessible, probably more so than the limit based proofs of regular calculus.

The only thing that isn't easily accessible is the proof of transference, namely that what's true for star-R (don't know how to make asterisks format nicely) is also true for R.

Re:In Math You Have to Remember, In Other Subjects You Can T... by podperson on Friday June 08, 2012 @03:31PM (#4085797)
I mean the equivalence / transference proofs. Otherwise you're pulling a theorem out of the air and telling students to just accept it. And by "accessible" I mean easy enough to understand that they don't become a huge distraction (or worse).
Re:In Math You Have to Remember, In Other Subjects You Can T... by aaronasterling on Friday June 08, 2012 @07:11PM (#4086559)
If one starts with star-R to begin with, then why does one need the transference theorems?
Re:In Math You Have to Remember, In Other Subjects You Can T... by podperson on Friday June 08, 2012 @07:18PM (#4086589)
You're then discussing math in terms of a set whose properties don't obviously match anything the student has dealt with. It needs to be established, one way or another, that adding infinitesimals etc. is not introducing new behavior.
Re:In Math You Have to Remember, In Other Subjects You Can T... by dllthomas on Saturday June 09, 2012 @01:09AM (#4087261)
I don't see why that can't just be stated. Students need somewhere to start from, and there's plenty already that we say "trust us for now, we'll prove it later" - and it's not like the reals actually match anything the student has dealt with, at the corner cases, either...
Re:In Math You Have to Remember, In Other Subjects You Can T... by yummyfajitas on Friday June 08, 2012 @09:11PM (#4086842)
No, it means you are starting with a different (but equivalent) set of axioms.

Our use of R rather than star-R is merely a quirk of history - we managed to justify R to ourselves first, hence it's the "standard".

Re:In Math You Have to Remember, In Other Subjects You Can T... by podperson on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @02:11PM (#4101858)
You're working with strictly _more_ axioms, and the extra axioms don't seem justified unless you use the equivalence proof to show you haven't added undesired behavior.

(If you look at the other axioms, the hardest one to justify is the bounding axiom, and its necessity is reinforced by proof. Every other axiom fits in with the student's understanding of arithmetic.)