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Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by ffsm8 on Monday July 01, 2024 @02:14PM (#40848594)
Your looking at it from today's perspective, but these kinds of rules need to be looked at from the perspective of worst case scenario - don't limit it to the current candidates, think about what a future president in... Say 30yrs is gonna do.

The weihmaher republik was a pretty good democracy back in the day. It just gave the leader certain rights, and suddenly Hitler became the dictator, creating Nazi Germany.

Everyone needs a limit to their power, otherwise they'll be able to essentially flip the board and declare themselves emperor.

Please don't project what I said here onto trump, Biden or Obama. None of them are on that level. It's just possible that a future president is that morally bankrupt, especially if social issues continue to accrue/inequality keeps growing unchecked.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by ffgjgf1 on Monday July 01, 2024 @03:08PM (#40849334)
> It just gave the leader certain rights, and suddenly Hitler became the dictator, creating Nazi Germany

Not it didn’t give him those rights. The parliament (including moderate parties) explicitly granted him the power to so whatever he wanted after the nazis were already in power.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by ffsm8 on Monday July 01, 2024 @03:50PM (#40849863)
Now read up on how he got his people into the Parlament and have your mind blown
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by ffgjgf1 on Monday July 01, 2024 @04:24PM (#40850262)
Winning elections? There was only so much they could do without cooperation from the other far-right parties and especially Hindenburg.
Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by bonzini on Monday July 01, 2024 @02:20PM (#40848677)
> Please don't project what I said here onto trump, Biden or Obama

Technically the US is in this predicament because one of them wanted his vice president to not name a successor, after mentioning several times during his presidency that he wanted a third term.

Just because he's a bad wannabe dictator, it doesn't mean he's not a wannabe dictator. He even said so himself, "just for one day".

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by golergka on Monday July 01, 2024 @02:18PM (#40848653)
> The weihmaher republik was a pretty good democracy back in the day.

No it wasn't. It had armed gangs, both right and left-wing, fighting in the streets, completely failed monetary policy and sky-high level of corruption. The republic just started to kind of getting back to normal for a few years at the end of 1920s, and then was wrecked with Great Depression.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by lenerdenator on Monday July 01, 2024 @02:23PM (#40848714)
> It had armed gangs, both right and left-wing, fighting in the streets

See: 2020 in the US.

> completely failed monetary policy

See printing off a lot of money to deal with an emergency because the US hasn't had a meaningful conversation about revenue since 1993 when George HW Bush went back on "read my lips"

> sky-high level of corruption

You have people on this court accepting vacations and gifts from people who are wishing to push a certain political viewpoint on the court. They just ruled this was okay, too, by neutering a federal anti-bribery statute. Money is considered protected political speech.

There are a lot of parallels between Weimar Germany and the current state of the USA. More than anyone should feel comfortable with.

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by ffgjgf1 on Monday July 01, 2024 @03:12PM (#40849386)
To be fair there is still a very long way to go if you look at the actual details.

> There are a lot of parallels between Weimar Germany and the current state of the USA

It might be dysfunctional but largely in very different ways (unless you view it extremely superficially).

Re:Supreme Court rules ex-presidents have immunity for offic... by ffgjgf1 on Monday July 01, 2024 @03:11PM (#40849369)
> It had armed gangs, both right and left-wing, fighting in the streets

And even moderate ones.

> completely failed monetary policy

IIRC during the period between 1923 and the Great Depression (i.e. majority of its existence) it was relatively stable.