The day Paul Graham uses CSS is the day hell freezes over.

Actually I'm not against CSS constructs. I'll use them when they're convenient. The problem is that saying this to CSS zealots is like saying to the ancient Hebrews that one will worship Yahweh along with all the other gods.

CSS is pretty much universally a superior way to manage your page styling, which is why us "CSS Zealots" have that attitude.

Oh no...here we go again.

I could really care less as long as everything works, except for one little thing, since nothing has classes or IDs, it makes it much more difficult for me to tweak my userstyle all the ways I want to. I know this isn't anyone else's problem, but it would sure be nice if there were classes and IDs that didn't have any CSS by default, but anyone could use as reference to style the site themselves.

Sorry dude, that's not enough of a counter argument to eternity's evidence that separating content from presentation is A Good Thing.

Haha it wasn't a counter argument (as I tend to agree with you), it was commentary about what happens over and over again: two opposite sides arguing with no one changing their minds.

Your apology is accepted anyway - Merry Christmas :).

What makes me think one ought to be able to style your websites however one wants?

People can choose to style their pages however they please.

Those are not the same?

Oh dear god, see what you've done pg? Now he's going to blow a trumpet and the hordes will be coming over the hills any minute now.

We better take this vanguard out before the larger group notices. Move quickly.

Sounds like how we are with funding.

How dare you!

Haha yes, that's why I made the comment.

Regardless a choose your own table christmas adventure would be fine for next year.

never say never!

You can do that yourself for pretty much any site with the Stylish extension for Firefox, which lets you tweak CSS of websites you visit. It turns out to be surprisingly easy to write your own color scheme or whatever. I actually use my own for hacker news because the default one makes it hard to see the links on the front page that I've already clicked on. http://arvindn.livejournal.com/98803.html