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Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by va_coder on Thursday June 07, 2012 @08:49AM (#4078705)
It's my understanding Monsanto isn't a company that relies on free markets. They use lawyers heavily. If their seeds blow from a customer's farm to a non customer's farm and the non customer doesn't actively try to remove the Monsanto seeds, they sue. They are like the seed mafia.
Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by stevoski on Thursday June 07, 2012 @08:53AM (#4078716)
"If their seeds blow from a customer's farm to a non customer's farm and the non customer doesn't actively try to remove the Monsanto seeds, they sue"

Got a source for that claim?

There's an article on huffington post which conflicts with the claim: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/monsanto-lawsuit-or...

Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by EthanHeilman on Thursday June 07, 2012 @09:01AM (#4078752)
"The Runyons say they signed no agreements, and if they were contaminated with the genetically modified seed, it blew over from a neighboring farm.

"Pollination occurs, wind drift occurs. There's just no way to keep their products from landing in our fields," David said.

"What Monsanto is doing across the country is often, and according to farmers, trespassing even, on their land, examining their crops and trying to find some of their patented crops," said Andrew Kimbrell, with the Center For Food Safety. "And if they do, they sue those farmers for their entire crop." "

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-4048288.html

Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by huxley on Thursday June 07, 2012 @09:07AM (#4078792)
Not sure about the US but it's possible he's referring to Monsanto vs Schmeiser, a Canadian case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc._v._Schmeis...

In that case, Schmeiser's field was contaminated by his neighbour's field which was planted with Roundup resistant Canola seed.

"... on the balance of probabilities, the defendants infringed a number of the claims under the plaintiffs’ Canadian patent number 1,313,830 by planting, in 1998, without leave or licence by the plaintiffs, canola fields with seed saved from the 1997 crop which seed was known, or ought to have been known by the defendants to be Roundup tolerant and when tested was found to contain the gene and cells claimed under the plaintiffs’ patent. By selling the seed harvested in 1998 the defendants further infringed the plaintiffs’ patent."

Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by planetguy on Thursday June 07, 2012 @10:58AM (#4079284)
Right, so it's not that they'll sue you if their seeds blow onto your property, it's that they'll sue you if their seeds blow onto your property, you harvest, separate and and save the seeds from the plants that grow, then you plant 'em.

I'm still not sure that counts as infringement, but hey, who am I to disagree with a Canadian court's interpretation of Canadian law?

Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by smackay on Thursday June 07, 2012 @09:01AM (#4078756)
Just enter "monsanto sues farmer" into your favourite search engine. The wealth of results, mostly partisan in nature however, would suggest that this is a significant issue.
Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by MartinCron on Thursday June 07, 2012 @09:18AM (#4078843)
Got a source for that claim?

Who needs a source (or nuanced facts, for that matter) when you've got such an impossibly sticky narrative? True or not, Monsanto will always be known as the people who sued over their seeds.

Which is a shame, because there are plenty of perfectly good reasons to hate Monsanto without delving into half-truths.

Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by zecho on Thursday June 07, 2012 @08:27PM (#4082032)
Agreed. There's the whole moral question of patenting life.
Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by huxley on Thursday June 07, 2012 @09:14AM (#4078820)
One thing, that Huffington Post article doesn't quite contradict the claim. It says:

"The court ruling said there was no likelihood that Monsanto would pursue patent-infringement cases against the organic farmers, who have no interest in using the company's patented seed products."

So long as the organic farmers didn't replant the contaminated seed or sell it, they are safe from lawsuits. If a farmer does replant the seed and benefit from the use of weedkiller resistance, they can expect to be sued.

Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by glesica on Thursday June 07, 2012 @10:13AM (#4079093)
So what are they supposed to do? Sort through the seeds one-by-one? The problem isn't that Monsanto is necessarily asking for anything that is obviously crazy, it's the implementation that causes problems.

It's a lot like software patents in some sense. You can't actually insulate yourself from infringement.

Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by va_coder on Thursday June 07, 2012 @09:17AM (#4078834)
Google is your friend. Here's one of many:

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-4048288.html

Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by protomyth on Thursday June 07, 2012 @09:14AM (#4078822)
Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by Tichy on Thursday June 07, 2012 @08:51AM (#4078713)
And do they win such claims? Seems to me the farmer whose field was polluted should be able sue for damages instead?
Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by knieveltech on Thursday June 07, 2012 @08:59AM (#4078742)
Your average farmer doesn't have the resources required to field a lawsuit against a multi-national company.
Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by Tichy on Thursday June 07, 2012 @09:18AM (#4078840)
Then that seems to be a flaw in the law system. Still, even if they don't start it, why would the company win frivolous claims?
Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by knieveltech on Thursday June 07, 2012 @10:07AM (#4079056)
Surely you don't think that frivolous claims are never won?
Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by Tichy on Thursday June 07, 2012 @10:25AM (#4079146)
Not sure, certainly they shouldn't be won as a rule. Maybe there are exceptions, but it shouldn't be just a case of whoever hires the most expensive lawyers wins.
Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by knieveltech on Thursday June 07, 2012 @11:08AM (#4079339)
There's a massive gulf between "shouldn't" and "isn't". :/
Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by Tichy on Thursday June 07, 2012 @07:09PM (#4081819)
So basically you are saying the legal system (in the US?) is worthless?
Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by knieveltech on Thursday June 07, 2012 @09:44PM (#4082237)
Draw your own conclusions.
Re:5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion by va_coder on Thursday June 07, 2012 @09:20AM (#4078852)
"Monsanto won its case against Parr, but the company, which won't comment on specific cases, has stopped its legal action <edit>for PR reasons</edit>against the Runyons."

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-4048288.html