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Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by vundercind on Monday June 24, 2024 @02:47PM (#40779383)
To put a finer point on it: actual experts in the study of government routinely refer to the US as a democracy. It’s absolutely not a sign of better familiarity with the topic to “correct” that usage—it’s a sign of low side of middling familiarity, specifically.
Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by DANmode on Monday June 24, 2024 @03:29PM (#40779723)
Debate whatever you want, we do not have a direct democracy, which is what most people hear when they hear "Democracy". It's Representative Democracy. Supposedly.
Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by vundercind on Monday June 24, 2024 @03:37PM (#40779796)
That isn’t what most people think of when they hear “democracy” in the context of describing countries like the US as a democracy. Lay-usage and expert usage are in accord here. It means more-or-less liberal and with voting that significantly affects how the state runs and/or who runs it. That’s all, and that usage doesn’t confuse anyone. If we didn’t use “democracy” for that we’d just have to come up with something else, because it’s a very useful term to have. But everyone just uses “democracy” and that works great.
Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by DANmode on Monday June 24, 2024 @03:56PM (#40779986)
It's what a nonzero number of Americans hear.

You're talking to one, who knows others.

Democracy as defined is a goal we have. Not something all (maybe most!) Americans would claim to enjoy.

Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by vundercind on Monday June 24, 2024 @04:08PM (#40780119)
You mean you thought tejohnso believes the US is a direct democracy, because of that post?
Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by DANmode on Monday June 24, 2024 @04:29PM (#40780369)
They, like many others, probably have a somewhat fuzzy grasp on what the meaning of word democracy is, due to the way it's used.

Honestly, I can't even think of an alternate(, but still charitable,) interpretation of:

"Shouldn't it be very easy to vote to fix that in a democracy?"

Suggest one, if you can?

Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by dragonwriter on Monday June 24, 2024 @05:14PM (#40780875)
Goalposts shift from

> most people

to

> a nonzero number of Americans

Holy motte and bailey, Batman.

Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by DANmode on Monday June 24, 2024 @06:18PM (#40781633)
Why don't you keep this thread on-topic, and reply to:

> "Shouldn't it be very easy to vote to fix that in a democracy?"

Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by dragonwriter on Monday June 24, 2024 @05:13PM (#40780860)
> we do not have a direct democracy, which is what most people hear when they hear "Democracy".

That hasn't been the dominant use of the term for centuries, but, sure, you keep pretending.

Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by DANmode on Monday June 24, 2024 @06:23PM (#40781687)
No, you're right, we're bringing (federated republics with some vestige elements of) democracy ALL OVER THE WORLD!
Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by dllthomas on Monday June 24, 2024 @09:01PM (#40783090)
It's a federated representative democracy with some issues, some of the components of which have some level of direct democracy.

It is also a republic. It could be a republic even if it was a pure direct democracy somehow without "issues" - in fact I struggle to see how a direct democracy without issues could be something other than a republic.

Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by DANmode on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @07:42PM (#40794966)
> some of the components of which have some level of direct democracy.

What, HOAs?

Re:Car dealerships revert to pens and paper after cyberattac... by dragonwriter on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @09:45AM (#40799983)
State level initiative and referenda processes.