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Re:The Engineer Who Refused to Approve the Challenger Launch by pseudosavant on Friday June 21, 2024 @01:02PM (#40751498)
My understanding of the Space Shuttle program is that there were a lot of times they knew they probably shouldn't fly, or try to land, and they lucked out and didn't lose the orbiter. It is shocking they only lost two ships out of the 135 Space Shuttle missions.

The safety posture of that whole program, for a US human space program, seemed bad. That they chose to use solid rocket motors shows that they were willing to compromise on human safety from the get-go. There are reasons there hasn't ever been even one other human-rated craft to use solid rocket motors.

Re:The Engineer Who Refused to Approve the Challenger Launch by jimbobthrowawy on Friday June 21, 2024 @03:46PM (#40753022)
> There are reasons there hasn't ever been even one other human-rated craft to use solid rocket motors.

That's about to not be true. Atlas V + starliner has flown two people and has strap-on boosters, I think it only gets the rating once it returns from the test flight though.

The shuttle didn't have a propulsive launch abort system, and could only abort during a percentage of its launch. The performance quoted for starliner's abort motor is "one mile up, and one mile out" based on what the presenter said during the last launch. You're plenty safe as long as you don't intersect the SRB's plume.

Re:The Engineer Who Refused to Approve the Challenger Launch by floating-io on Friday June 21, 2024 @01:32PM (#40751807)
Except SLS?

Not that I think it's a good thing, but...

Re:The Engineer Who Refused to Approve the Challenger Launch by pseudosavant on Friday June 21, 2024 @02:06PM (#40752130)
I forgot about the SLS until after I wrote that. SLS makes most of the same mistakes, plus plenty of new expensive ones, from the Space Shuttle program. SLS has yet to carry a human passenger though.

Its mind boggling that SLS still exists at all. At least $1B-$2B in costs whether you launch or not. A launch cadence measured in years. $2B-$4B if you actually launch it. And it doesn't even lift more than Starship, which is launching almost quarterly already. This before we even talk about reusability, or that a reusable Starship + Super Heavy launch would only use about $2M of propellent.

Re:The Engineer Who Refused to Approve the Challenger Launch by dblohm7 on Friday June 21, 2024 @03:56PM (#40753157)
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