> how the OpenAI integration

FTFA: “For queries that require more horsepower, users will be offered the option to outsource a task via the cloud to ChatGPT.”

> it'll be revealed that everyone's information really is being used for their models, they'll get a $40M fine and continue on

You think Apple would accept that sort of breach of contract for $40mm?

Yes.

I'm not sure Apple would know.

edit: I meant OpenAI gets the fine.

Apple wouldn’t know but OpenAI gets fined and Apple still doesn’t know? Who is issuing these secret fines?

Yep. The unfolding OpenAI heel turn is clear to anyone watching, as is Apple's declining ability meet the expectations set by its own marketing. If you move your finger along those trend lines and find where they intersect, you'll get a glimpse of the future of this product. I guess the counterargument is "but it'll be different this time"?

The OpenAI integration is almost exactly the same thing as the current Siri integration with Wikipedia. It has nothing to do with "horsepower" or "your data". It's literally a plugin for getting info like how do I make a cherry pie, or write me a sonnet, that Apple's models aren't trained to be good at. And it's called from apple's side with no identifying information and just the query to get the encyclopedia style information. There is so much misinformation about this.

> There is so much misinformation about this.

I honestly find that more interesting than the announcement.

This feature and how it is implemented has been very clearly and very widely promoted in non-technical, no-jargon language. It is trivial to find out the correct information.

One of the main pieces of false information is that some people think Apple's AI is implemented like this:

On-device processing for a limited set of tasks + Off-device Processing by OpenAI.

That's false, and this falsehood is also implied by The New Yorker's article.

The actual system is more like this:

On-device processing + Apple's own Private Cloud Compute for off device processing of larger models + optional OpenAI for special OpenAI specific requests.

Those OpenAI requests function as you've already described, with the extra step of also requiring the user to specifically consent to using OpenAI every single time (while also showing the user exactly what will be sent to OpenAI), plus a few steps in between to ensure the user is anonymous from the query.

As mentioned already this information isn't hard to find out. One could learn it unambiguously from any of the apple news releases¹, WWDC talks, or their original Keynote.

Yet the majority of discourse here is false information, followed by wrong assumptions that stretch into conspiracy theories.

I find this to be such an important lesson in going to the source.

See also: AdObE aRe StEalInG uR aRtwOrK fOr Ai TrAiNing. (Adobe are basketful of questionable activities and perhaps also deceptive² things, but they're not doing this and the that information is also readily available.)

¹ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/06/apple-extends-its-pri...

² https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/06/...

I understand you need to call OpenAI through iOS to send data to them and that's all non-identifying information, but they literally having top executives quitting because of ethical concerns. Look at all the dirty tricks Meta and Google has used to get around privacy settings. Why is anyone putting their faith in a seemingly bad actor whose entire business is admittedly built on theft? This isn't an industry built on good faith and the billions invested in these companies will have to be paid.

I hear your concerns, but one needs to find the dividing line between adversarial online discourse and the reality of what is being offered.

If OpenAI looks scary because there is a buzz around it, then that's indicative that one is building opinions based on a "vibe". That's fine to do for yourself because the user is in no way compelled to use OpenAI, and Apple's implementation clearly delineates when OpenAI is available, and specifically requests the user's consent every single time, while also showing what information would be sent to OpenAI.

Additionally the announced plan is to make this part of the system easily switched to other AI providers, much like one switches their search engine. So if your personal leanings are supportive of a different AI provider, then that is your option to change.

I think you would really benefit from reading about how Apple plans to introduce these features, and the specific privacy protections made not just for OpenAI, but also for processing on Apple's own AI-nodes. They have taken threat actors very seriously in their approach, and you'll see that this approach is genuinely different from what is currently being offered:

https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/