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Re:Gavin Newsom wants to take smartphones out of schools by angelsbrood on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @11:20AM (#40718818)
So bizarre and embarrassing the peanut gallery here views this as anything other than a backslide. We've been having this non-argument since I was in middle school: moratorium was a ridiculous non-sequitur then and it's a ridiculous non-sequitur now. If civic institutions can't find a constructive path to integrating socially ubiquitous prosthetic tech, it ought to be disqualifying. That's quite nakedly the task of governance.
Re:Gavin Newsom wants to take smartphones out of schools by peteyPete on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @11:49AM (#40719221)
Imagine having to teach a whole class, keep track of each kids engagement, where they're at, if they need more help, and on top of that, having eyes on the back walls of the classroom to see if kids have their phones hidden in their pencil case or something, watching youtube or cheating, or msging each other, or are wearing buds under their hair and are just jamming and not listening in class... Imagine each kid has a gaming console in their hand and are already addicted to all their devices and on top of trying to teach them a full curriculum, you also have to be their addiction counselor and police.

At most, if kids phones were registered as "student" phones and registered to a school so that between certain hours, the phones allowed policies from the school to be applied to a phone while the phone is on the premises. Teachers could just disable them during class or allow for exceptions like if such and such kid was waiting for a critical call from a parent or something.. Classrooms could have beacons telling the phones they're in a classroom so if they go in the halls the phones could work... Or not.. Either way, there should be tech solutions to tech problems and teachers have enough to deal with, they shouldn't be further strained by having to police students always trying to find ways to sneak on to their devices.

Soon teachers might be a thing of the past and kids will just interact with an AI teacher anyway... The AI will be responsible for keeping them engaged and make sure they understand the material. At that point the AI can just shock them into submission if they whip out their phones... Muahahhaa... jk jk.

Re:Gavin Newsom wants to take smartphones out of schools by doe_eyes on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @11:24AM (#40718881)
This is not about integrating or not integrating tech. Many schools do integrate interactive learning technologies.

The problem is that kids who are glued to their devices use them to tune out and avoid classroom work, for example constantly scrolling through TikTok. This is arguably a parenting issue, made worse by the fact that schools are afraid to punish misbehaving students in any way, but it's qualitatively worse from (and more common than) kids just looking out the window or doodling during class and still picking up at least some information.

For what it's worth, I don't see why this requires government action, schools can certainly set their own policies - but I guess that's how we roll in California, "there ought to be a law".

Re:Gavin Newsom wants to take smartphones out of schools by jrmg on Tuesday June 18, 2024 @11:23AM (#40718864)
Can you explain why you think this is seemingly obviously ridiculous? It’s not obvious to me.