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Re:Creativity Has Left the Chat: The Price of Debiasing Lang... by maxbond on Monday June 17, 2024 @10:08PM (#40713411)
> I was pointing out that your original argument makes no sense, because of what it would mean if you applied it to humans.

And I explained why this equivalence doesn't hold in my view. You have made no attempt to justify it. So why should I buy it? Are you obliged to buy every proposition I put forward? Obviously not, or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

> [It] in no way relates to your original [argument] and does nothing to rescue it.

My argument is only endangered if the equivalence holds - and again, I haven't bought it. You seem to feel entitled to my adopting your perspective, and to respond assuming your equivalence is valid. But you have to earn that by putting forward a good argument.

Instead of trying to convince me or explore our disagreement, you declare that I violated unstated terms and that the discussion cannot proceed. This is nonsensical.

Since it's clear you aren't willing to give me a fair hearing, I encourage you to show this conversation to someone you respect and trust to be honest with you, so that they can explain this to you in a way that will register.

Re:Creativity Has Left the Chat: The Price of Debiasing Lang... by lmm on Monday June 17, 2024 @10:25PM (#40713497)
> And I explained why this equivalence doesn't hold in my view.

No you didn't.

> Instead of trying to convince me or explore our disagreement, you declare that I violated unstated terms and that the discussion cannot proceed.

No I didn't.

> Since it's clear you aren't willing to give me a fair hearing, I encourage you to show this conversation to someone you respect and trust to be honest with you, so that they can explain this to you in a way that will register.

Right back at you.

Re:Creativity Has Left the Chat: The Price of Debiasing Lang... by maxbond on Monday June 17, 2024 @10:28PM (#40713510)
> No you didn't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40703486

If I was unclear - the equivalence doesn't hold because one of these are moral entities and the other isn't.

> No I didn't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40703471

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40711859

> Right back at you.

Fair enough. I was already planning on it, so I'm happy to.