Re:Crapify
by jawngee on Monday December 22, 2008 @02:55PM
(#406806)
I posted this on your blog, but I'll post it here since you want to take this pointless discussion to a new level:
You're post is so incorrect, I don't even know where to start.
Apparently they crowd-sourced an entire movie. Everything
from the script to the casting was voted on, presumably by
the same lunkheads who turned Digg into an extension of
Apple marketing interspersed with unfunny comics and left-wing
commentary. It’s a process scientifically designed to produce a
film that’s mediocre for its budget range, which apparently was
somewhere in between what a student film normally costs and
my monthly car insurance payment.
First of all, the process you've outlined in your post is not the process used on Massify. Massify users voted for the story, not the screenplay. The winner did not direct the movie, he served as a producer and got a small role in the movie. What he did get to do, however, is sit in on the production and participate, work with the screenwriters to flesh out the story, etc.
Furthermore the budget for the film was way beyond the cost of a student film and your monthly insurance car payment combined.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s neat the way the process worked, but I
guess I’m unable to see the value in coming up with a novel way
to produce more cinematic detritus. Hollywood regurgitates this
crap 10 times a year, except (judging from the trailer) with more
polish. They don’t need crowd sourcing to add to the dung heap.
It's painfully obvious you've had little to do with film, like ever. Do you really believe most films are the work of a single individual? Movies have been crowd sourcing since before the internet tubes. The only thing Massify changes is who gets let into that particular crowd.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s neat the way the process worked, but
How can you call the process neat when you haven't the faintest clue how it works?
I guess I’m unable to see the value in coming up with a novel
way to produce more cinematic detritus. Hollywood regurgitates
I'm not exactly sure our process is that novel. All we've really done is put a web interface on the same mechanic and opened up who can participate, nothing more and nothing less.
In fact, the one thing the movie industry has going for it is
that it’s still much more meritocratic than most of the rest of
America. A good script is a good script, no matter who wrote it,
Again, you write with authority but it's obvious you aren't a student of film history.
I'd argue your points more, but discourse on the web is futile, specifically when there is a risk that the OP will be shown to be clueless and pedantic.
Re:Crapify
by ejs on Monday December 22, 2008 @12:35PM
(#406591)
While I agree that this will probably not be a great movie... who cares? Why must the whole endeavor be run down this way. So since they may not produce anything very exciting they should just throw their hand up, go home, and watch TV?
I find it very interesting that these people have enough motivation and drive to at least try to do something.
To me it feels like going and telling the people at the park playing basketball to just go home, they wont make it to the NBA....
Is it so bad to make something, potentially sub par, just for the enjoyment of it?
Re:Crapify
by iamdave on Monday December 22, 2008 @01:20PM
(#406639)
Right.
While I understand the idea that Matt is trying to convey here (and agree that a dying/inherently boring genre as slasher horror was a poor choice to christen this idea on), I think he's going about it from the wrong angle entirely. One bad movie does not negate the utility, and overreaching novelty of crowdsourcing a movie.
That, and I think
Letting a gas station employee play director is perhaps less dangerous than letting him be a thoracic surgeon, but it’s no more likely to achieve a good result.
Is a wholly inappropriate thing to say, given the ultimate goal of this entire project: do what has never before been done in this spectrum of entertainment and produce a complete movie. That's an especially tough pill to swallow if you haven't seen the movie, or met the director. (actually, it's an inappropriate thing to say even if you put aside the fact that they're making a movie. That's needlessly harsh)
Re:Crapify
by gruseom on Monday December 22, 2008 @02:14PM
(#406744)
Based on direct observation of some similar projects, I'd advise skepticism about claims of "crowdsourcing". It is typically used as a buzzword to draw attention to projects that don't actually deserve any, and wouldn't otherwise get it. The way this movie was made is likely a lot closer to traditional methods than the hype would suggest.
Re:Crapify
by rantfoil on Monday December 22, 2008 @02:52PM
(#406805)
Massify looks like it has the potential of becoming a great social niche play for indie/low budget film production. ModelMayhem seemed like a tiny idea, but now they're as big as friendfeed. Not everyone is going to be churning out Henri Cartier-Bresson-level work, but that's not the point.
Re:Crapify
by rantfoil on Friday December 26, 2008 @05:44PM
(#410505)
It's a members-only site and it's hard to become a member without actually being a model, makeup artist or photographer. Though I suppose it doesn't hurt. ;-)
Iron Sky is produced in collaboration with an on-line community of film enthusiasts. At Wreck-a-Movie, everyone interested in chipping in with their ideas and creativity can read the tasks given to the community and take a shot (write an entry) at them.
Re:Crapify
by puzzle-out on Monday December 22, 2008 @01:48PM
(#406684)
Good writers develop through practice. If crowdsourced films gives aspiring writers the opportunity to practice their craft, then there is some justification alone in that.
You're post is so incorrect, I don't even know where to start.
Apparently they crowd-sourced an entire movie. Everything from the script to the casting was voted on, presumably by the same lunkheads who turned Digg into an extension of Apple marketing interspersed with unfunny comics and left-wing commentary. It’s a process scientifically designed to produce a film that’s mediocre for its budget range, which apparently was somewhere in between what a student film normally costs and my monthly car insurance payment.
First of all, the process you've outlined in your post is not the process used on Massify. Massify users voted for the story, not the screenplay. The winner did not direct the movie, he served as a producer and got a small role in the movie. What he did get to do, however, is sit in on the production and participate, work with the screenwriters to flesh out the story, etc.
Furthermore the budget for the film was way beyond the cost of a student film and your monthly insurance car payment combined.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s neat the way the process worked, but I guess I’m unable to see the value in coming up with a novel way to produce more cinematic detritus. Hollywood regurgitates this crap 10 times a year, except (judging from the trailer) with more polish. They don’t need crowd sourcing to add to the dung heap.
It's painfully obvious you've had little to do with film, like ever. Do you really believe most films are the work of a single individual? Movies have been crowd sourcing since before the internet tubes. The only thing Massify changes is who gets let into that particular crowd.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s neat the way the process worked, but
How can you call the process neat when you haven't the faintest clue how it works?
I guess I’m unable to see the value in coming up with a novel way to produce more cinematic detritus. Hollywood regurgitates
I'm not exactly sure our process is that novel. All we've really done is put a web interface on the same mechanic and opened up who can participate, nothing more and nothing less.
In fact, the one thing the movie industry has going for it is that it’s still much more meritocratic than most of the rest of America. A good script is a good script, no matter who wrote it,
Again, you write with authority but it's obvious you aren't a student of film history.
I'd argue your points more, but discourse on the web is futile, specifically when there is a risk that the OP will be shown to be clueless and pedantic.
I find it very interesting that these people have enough motivation and drive to at least try to do something.
To me it feels like going and telling the people at the park playing basketball to just go home, they wont make it to the NBA....
Is it so bad to make something, potentially sub par, just for the enjoyment of it?
While I understand the idea that Matt is trying to convey here (and agree that a dying/inherently boring genre as slasher horror was a poor choice to christen this idea on), I think he's going about it from the wrong angle entirely. One bad movie does not negate the utility, and overreaching novelty of crowdsourcing a movie.
That, and I think
Letting a gas station employee play director is perhaps less dangerous than letting him be a thoracic surgeon, but it’s no more likely to achieve a good result.
Is a wholly inappropriate thing to say, given the ultimate goal of this entire project: do what has never before been done in this spectrum of entertainment and produce a complete movie. That's an especially tough pill to swallow if you haven't seen the movie, or met the director. (actually, it's an inappropriate thing to say even if you put aside the fact that they're making a movie. That's needlessly harsh)
That's because he's dead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_LaFontaine
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yXbFuNQwTbs
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1633395
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4DW1uvsAE
From Wikipedia:
Iron Sky is produced in collaboration with an on-line community of film enthusiasts. At Wreck-a-Movie, everyone interested in chipping in with their ideas and creativity can read the tasks given to the community and take a shot (write an entry) at them.
Everyone likes each individual element, but in concert they produce (hilariously) awful artwork.